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I don't think he has much choice considering that: a) recent performances have been poor and crying out for doing something different, and b) the personnel available to him. Hope we get a change in performance, if not a change in luck to getthis show back on the road. A couple of wins out of the next three games and we're off and running.

And how much did he cost (even factoring in wages etc)???? There's bargains to be had out there, and although he isn't going to set the world alight, he's probably better suited than some of our youngsters out there!!!!!!!

And were massively overpriced (particularly when you consider how much other comparable Clubs have been sold for e.g. Ipswich, Wolve, Leicester, etc etc etc).

When what you are trying to sale has a value of about 14p and the major shareholders are asking for something like 1400000000p (in other words £14m), then it's asking quite alot from your salesman!!!!!!! Even Marc Jackson couldn't manage that.

Have a look here for the top line figures: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10348 "an operating loss before player trading of around £13m.", and then you have to add the £2m interest payments on to this.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We lost £13m on normal operations (i.e. excluding player transfers) and a further £2m went out the door for the mortgage payments last year. We may have managed to defer some of the mortgage, shut the corners, cut back on buses, laid off some coaching staff & some admin bods and me may have shifted some players on good wedges, but I don't think we've cutback £15m!!!!!! We're still loss making at an operational level.

Exactly. Regardless of who is to blame, what is to blame etc etc etc, we have to face the plain simple fact that attendances are massively down (and no amount of whingeing on these boards will turn it around). The simplest way to get the crowds back is by winning (and preferably winning and enetertaining when playing home games). However, current performances at home might suggest that this might prove problematic. So is there any other way of getting the crowds back in whilst we're still struggling (and not winning)?????? So maybe there is, but would it really work???? Would a new board, free of the charlatans and vested interests galvanise the fans and perhaps engender some community spirit, some sense of togetherness??? Would they be able to get together with the local media and ask us to support this new regime that come with no baggage and get crowds to rise with a sense of "we're all in this together". Or would people still be more influenced by results on the pitch??? Wilde tried it in his Echo interview, but I agree with your second assertion in that I don't think either Wilde or Lowe can engender that spirit. They both have too much history to be able to stand up and say "rally behind me/us".

Which takes me back to that time when he was giving Crouch a moutful on here and wanted loads of questions answered. Crouch then steps into the public domain at Central Hall to face the punters, and our own Suntanned Priest suddenly announces he has a business trip up north somewhere, bless him.:smt005:smt037:D

Lowe's cabal consists of something like: Lowe = 5.6% Askham = 4.8% (if you include his wifes) Withers = 4% Richards = 3.1% Windsor-Clive = 1.7% Cowen = 1.5% That's about 21%, so there's about another 5% out there he has somehow managed to get control of (balance of his his fathers?? Marlands???? Whatever happened to Anthony Dye's??? etc etc etc). As all of these give Lowe his power, they are as responsibe as he is for this "revolutionary new coaching set up", along with Wilde of course.

In the Rights Issue that raised £3m for SMS, he did put in just over £100k.

Sadly, your suggestion is wrong. After 9 games they had 10 points. It was a blollox quote, surprised the OS has kept it up there.

You couldn't be more wrong Phil. Wilde is the figure head Non Executive Chairman of the Football Cub Board, he has no say in the day to running at the Club. Lowe has ensured that. Lowe lets him write his piece in the programme and butters him up now and then, but Lowe is pulling all the strings. The de facto DOF is Rupert Lowe ( a role he has aspired to for ages).

But there was no need for the restaurant to then appoint a manager who was at first supported, then quickly shafted. And then there was non need whatsoever to promote the waiter to become manager. Goold Rupert, he's such a unifying figure isn't he:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Were you saying we should have stuck by Wigley back in Autumn 2004??

I'd say the biggest influence will be: 1. Players & Manager - Keep losing and it unravels. 2. Supporters - If 1. fails then they fail to turn up and it gets worse. 3. Bank - Will ask for action to compensate for 2. 4. Wilde & the Cabal - Will part of that action be sacrificing Lowe. 5. Bank, Norwich Union & other creditors - If not happy (and not getting paid) then they will pull the rug and Lowe will be off.

Because then someone might come in and rescue the Club many of them purport to love. Most of the recent CCC takeovers have been for nominal sums. As someone else has mentioned above, I'm amazed that people would even consider paying £1 to buy a debt ridden club that is racking up more losses every week. Many shareholders at other clubs have taken a hit in the pocket in order for their club to move forward. Of course, on a hard nosed business side, they are well within their rights to hold on to their shares and either sell them for the price they want or to try and turn this Club around. The potential downside of this is obvious, in that if no one wants to pay over the odds, or if they fail (and it's not looking good sat here today), then the Club they purport to love may well cease to exist (at least in the form we know).

Whilst I agree there is a need for stability, there is also a need to be pragmatic. I was (and still am) one of the critics who had big issues with chopping and changing, but I am also happy to stand up and say I had no problem when we chopped and changed to remove Wigley!!!!!! The issue there was the appointment in the first place, not the sacking of him. I would never have advocated keeping him on just out of a need for stability. Nor would I have said there's "nothing that can be done", "the dice have been rolled", "we have to work with the squad we have" etc etc etc. A different manager may well be able to et different results out of the same set of players. But for the record, 7 games is too early to be calling for Jan's head, but that doesn't mean the alarm bells are going off down here. I'm not bothered about the Carling Cup, so the games against Donny, Norwich and Coventry (before we go into a two week break) will be very important.

A good "mentor"????????? Fccuk me, Hockaday must have the same bloke writing his CV as Jan did. Three years ago he was working with the kids at Watford (before that running college team/Academy). He had a stint as Watford coach before being booted out less than two years later. Did a few months coaching in Div 4 with MK Dons (never got going at Leicester). Turned up here a year ago as Youth Team Coach (so not sure how well he got to know all the academy ones in under a year!!!!). I must say that I'm not convinced that that looks like the credentials of a good mentor.

Nope, not Sunderland, they had 10 points after 9 games. Being honest, I reckon he has no idea and was fed that line by someone at the Club and then just repeated it. A bit worrying really!!!!!!!!!!

Wll I never said anything about fees, I said we should have looked around for free transfers and used the money we spent signing various youngsters (including their wages) on some seasoned pros. I would have also shipped out a few others to fund this. You were the one quoting specific numbers, not me. All I (and many others) have been saying that rather than going for broke in signing youngsters and bringing others through, that perhaps we should have gone a middle way of utilising those that are ready, along with getting in some old heads. We had a choice in what players we got, in exactly the same way as we had a choice over what players we went for. Finances may of course limit some of those decisins, but there were still choices to be had. It is rather naive to assume that Poortvliet was our only option as a manager, and again rather naive to assume that the players he got in (or did he???) were the only ones we could have got in.

From todays match I wonder how much Darren Moore cost Barnsley and we had Wotton & Perry playing. Don't be so naive.

And so should I because it is so ficuking soul destroying and frustrating. The missus, the goldfish and the pot plant have all been given an earful this evening!!!!!!!!!!!! Off out in a moment for a 40th in some dive down East Street where the house doubles are supposedly £1.50 a pop. Expect some lairy posts come midnight LOL.

That would certainly be true of some on here :smt060:smt060 I have to chuckle when I look back at the Total Football threads and ow this lower league manager , coupled with some failed Chairman were going to take us to the next level. I have to chuckle, because it is so depressing what is happening to my team (if not all too predictable).

They must be shi877ing themselves over the gate revenue. They probably had an idea from season ticket sales that we would not be up with last season, but there is no way they would have been budgeting around the 14,000-15,000 mark.

Saints aren't:mad: