bridge too far

Nick - I enjoy debating with you but when you sink to that level of retort, any respect I have for you goes out of the window. What a crass generalisation.

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No conjugals for me tonight now

You think you've got problems! I live with a Skate

Blimey

Do you have to do this very often? How on earth do you find time for the day job?

WHERE IS TROUSERS? We need his incisive questions IMO.

I've just said that many NHS toilet cleaners are private sector employees (since a lot of NHS Trusts use FM contractors). The difference is that NHS employed cleaners taken over by the private sector have some of their Ts and Cs protected (under TUPE regulations) for a short while. However, many choose to leave the service - not because of poorer employment terms, but because they want to work for the public (ie patients) rather than line the pockets of private companies. A shame, as many valuable and experienced FM staff have been lost to the NHS, to the detriment of the NHS. You see, even some of the lowest paid are altruistic.

Not at all Risks and opportunities are usually talked about in the same breath. I was finding an opportunity for you to match the risk you are taking.

NHS toilet cleaners are paid on Band 1: Band 1 Point 1 £12,517 Point 2 £12,922 Point 3 £13,269 Point 4 £13,617 I can't find comparable private sector rates but a lot of NHS cleaners are, in fact, private sector employees. I would imagine toilets in the NHS are a lot more unpleasant to clean than anything in the private sector

This explains how immigrants are generally not entitled to benefits http://consultation.hartlepool.gov.uk/inovem/getfile.ti/forcedownload/2946/9573.1/application+pdf/332a4e41283f214b2b4a3c5b58484c3323212a4933303c5f43512023300a/28.06.06%20Immigration%20and%20entitlement%20to%20services%20handout.pdf

Woo hoo

That isn't the case.

maybe?

I always thought the two weren't mutually exclusive

I thought they'd found him a 'special place'?

Then why don't you? I'm not being rude. If you really hate it so much here, and you have this chance, why don't you take it?

Learning to spell 'definitely' is an opportunity.

If I ever wanted to emigrate (I don't) I'd choose Scandinavia for sure. The child care / parental leave is awesome just as one example.

That doesn't help 1976 though, unfortunately. 1976 - you're not the only one. My youngest daughter and her (teacher) husband can't afford to buy a property either. But I'm old enough to remember that every generation struggles to buy property for the first time. I certainly did and then had to struggle for a second time after my divorce. You'll get there eventually

I refer you to a parallel thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=5477&page=3 post 121 gives you a link to comparative tax data world wide.

Aah yes, rules and regulations. Let's get rid of them all. The world would be a much nicer place without rules, regulations and procedures, wouldn't it. Rules of the road, rules about protecting consumers, etc. etc. etc. Get rid of them all. Or is that anarchy? Like me, you haven't been very entrepeneurial today, have you I hope your customers aren't paying for your down-time.

I guess you have two options, 1976. 1) emigrate 2) try to change things

what do you do for a living, Bognor? Are your skills transferrable to the public sector?

I WAS comparing like with like (schools) and I do believe that it was implied that the £100m project was for Health (although I didn't repeat the word) for the private sector architect. The point is still valid.