Hawkswood

This is the thing for me. Either way its all moot. FA will do him

I switched on earlier and had to witness Tom Hiddleston (??) practically blowing Arteta. It was fking grim

I think hes finished but if the FA didn't ban him and the players would still play for him then Id have him. Reminds me of the film Margin Call. The only thing that matters is the survival of the club and that means results on the pitch and I think we would struggle to get someone as good as him in and with that the threat of relegation which would bring terrible damage. Results on the pitch are all that matters- for the good of the club. Pretty sure we didn't spy on Arsenal and went toe to toe with the Premier league champions. At first I was furious and wanted him gone but Ive changed my mind.

Been asking myself this for nearly a decade now

I agree with most of what youre saying but Im not sure what on earth wokism has to do with it.

No, let them, that was hilarious

Sorry dude, wont let it happen again.

I came on here this morning about to add that I think he should be booted but after reading a few different points of view I have to admit I see things in a slightly different light plus Ive had a few days for things to calm down. Anyway, I think the FA will ban him so doesn't really matter.

You see, the ramifications could rumble on for years absolutely but......I was thinking about this whilst getting ready for work today. Look at the Trump administration. Think about how they've slipped out of all the catastrophes of the last few years and I just thought, well, they have a better PR machine then we do, but then I thought, what if we just follow his set of rules, which is essentially double down. So let's say the players do still want to play for him and he stays. Yes at the beginning there will be loads of abuse, but football fans have short memories. If he stays and the group stays we have solidity which means we wont slide into oblivion. The club backs him and says he made a mistake but he wants to put things right etc etc. Ie, we double down on him, he ours and we'll protect him, create a siege mentality, us against the world. This is just hypothetical, but this approach could work in our favour. If we get rid and start again and lose loads of players we could be in bigger trouble and the health of the club in that respect should come first. Anyway, its all hypothetical as I say.

I think once the FA get involved as well this conversation becomes moot. Be stunned if they dont ban him. But agree, Ive come round to the idea ( unbelievably) that if the players will still play for him AND the FA dont ban him then we should keep him.

I understand that I haven't said anywhere that I condone what has been done, but for the amount of retribution that has been dished out for something - that by their rules is still fundamentally allowed - seems way over the top to me. That was the point I was trying to make and again NOWHERE have I tried to defend what has been carried out.

Theres also the quite arbitrary 72 hours rule. Before that, fine, no problem. A minute after, kill them all.

I live in London and am surrounded by fans of tonnes of different clubs and that includes my mates..... I know it feels more immediate to us but honestly, most people dont give a shit. Much like when bielsa did it, I didn't really care then. What most people have said to me is, why would they risk such massive reputation damage for such limited gains.

This is fair.

I think this is an interesting point. The fallout would obviously be a much more dampened affair and there would be nowhere near as much blowback. But that hasnt happened. He needs to go along with anyone else involved, no questions asked. The reputational damage is immense.

So did someone within the club grass us up ?

Thats what I said !! Was looking forward to the day out though.

Just wondering, if by some miracle the decision is reversed ( cant see it by the way), how I would still feel about going to Wembley to cheer them on. More so, how I would feel if they won. Ive got a feeling it would be hollow.

Tbh I dont feel anything for either boro or Hull. Its shame and embarrassment that I feel for my club. What were they thinking.

Not sure if you log on for deadline day but you should, its fucking hilarious. So many people knock the posters on thoa site but not for me, I think the vast vast majority of people on here are brilliant and Ive only had three beers.

Have we won yet ? No ? Okay, back tomorrow.

With you dude

Yeah but its really not up to them

Probably right. Fine defo, but if the points deduction is too high ie, similar to Leicester which it shouldn't be, we'll contest it over the next few weeks, which will probably then be reduced. They'll still want the final to go ahead with us I think. Kicking us out leads into very very choppy water.

Yeah, I tend to agree. Would be fucking hilarious but does feel, as you say, a bit far fetched.