Sir Ralph

Matsuki isn’t a CM shouldn’t be playing there

On good authority that parsons was told by the EFL that the punishment wouldn’t involve being kicked out of the playoffs hence our apparent absence of being vocal in the media cause we didn’t want to upset the applecart and then they did us over….

Spine looks weaker now need another CD and CM this week

You’re answering a different question which I don’t disagree with in principle. however I think the answer to my question appears to be “no” which was the basis of what was discused

Not the distinction I’m making. The conservatives didn’t knowingly propose policies or oppose restrictive policies which had the direct intention of reducing illegal immigration. The point is the individuals or groups on the left deliberately opposed policies that had the specific intention of discouraging illegal immigration. Put it this way, I can point to various left wing groups or individuals that have deliberately sought to block policies that would restrict illegal immigration. Can you point to any conservative / right wing groups or individuals that have deliberately done the same to the scale of those on the opposite political spectrum?

The point is collectively leftist groups or individuals have tried to repeatedly block serious attempts to restrict immigration . The point of difference was whoether those on the left try to hinder these policies. I didn’t lament the policies - point out where I did? I also didn’t say the Dublin agreement was “extremely” useful. I said it was a factor in helping (noting that wider geo political shifts have occurred since Brexit which have been an factor)and I didn’t vote for Brexit. Please quote correctly. Put it this way, I can point to various left wing groups or individuals that have sought to restrict illegal immigration policies. Can you point to any conservative / right wing groups or individuals that have to the scale of those on the opposite political spectrum?

You ignored the question

Ok be pedantic - if that singular word is what you’re hanging onto I know you’re struggling . Left wing groups or individuals as a collective will try and stop any proposals to restrict immigration Do you agree that the left wing in the whole are the ones that resist proposals to reduce illegal immigration?

I didn’t say anyone was openly championing unrestricted immigration (not in public at least). I said there are groups on the left and in the human rights sector who have tried to oppose government policies to restrict illegal immigration. Amnesty international, liberty, unison, pcs, Lucas, cherry, Corbyn - there were a number of Labour, Lib Dem and Green MPS. There are other groups and parties or individuals that are to the left. I assume you acknowledge that all those named are?

Please refer to my previous post

The point is that once up and running it the intention was that it would have been a disincentive for people so could have resulted in fewer people coming hence an overall saving. Anyway my overall response wasn’t about the merits of the schemes it was in relation to those on the left who will seek to stop any proposals which restrict immigration.

And those on the left challenged or removed various policies that those governments tried to introduce to minimise / disincentivise illegal immigration such as the the Rwanda scheme, use of barges for accommodation and turn back of migrant boats . These challenges and removal of policy were typically by left wing MPs, human rights lawyers, unions, civil rights groups, etc, which hindered government as well as activist groups that physically tried to stop removal. If new policies are proposed, they will do the same again....

You must have missed the part of the thread where some on here who have a different view believe they are 'centrists', which appears to provide some form of self justification that their views are balanced and more considered than others.

I would like to be invited too.

Yes maybe us “little englanders” have a point.