Sir Ralph

Thats not correct. I said the below and you asked me if reintroducing the cap would result in poverty. Of course it would compared to the non-cap position and I stated it. I didnt say I had no problem with kids in poverty. Then you got your knickers in a twist. He can comment on your posts and this debate - thats why its called a Forum. There will be some occasions of poverty as a result. These already exist as the policy is in place. All policies have pros and cons. However, this policy encourages irresponsibility and punishes those people that are responsible. Do you believe this policy will encourage people who are on welfare to have more kids and rely on the state at taxpayers expense?

I'm already buzzing for this. This is what supporting a football team should feel like.

This is because the budget deficit hasn’t increased and has a larger headroom. The headroom itself is good in principle and could have been achieved by any government. It can be achieved in a number of ways, including cuts or a more balanced budget. A lot of scepticism in the economy was already factored in before the budget because people knew what was coming and actually feared that the nutters were going to deliver a worse budget than they did. This government is obsessed with taxes rather than economic growth. Thats it. It doesn’t mean that the markets believe it’s a “good budget” and the article highlights the scepticism about long term growth.

I would have responded to you but you were bloody rude this afternoon so I'm not wasting my time. I'm not dodging your questions as your responses were pretty average anyway - not exactly challenging. I just dont like you or care for your opinions and the other poster got you spot on. Learn to engage with people respectfully and people will respect you, regardless of whether you disagree.

I typed out a response and then thought “I can’t be bothered”. I don’t want to waste any more time on him. Have a good evening

Succinct.

Yes if you’ve been recently employed the bizarre thing is it doesn’t help you. Long term benefit claimants are fine. I speak from experience of long term claimants I’m aware of. Says a lot about who the system helps and doesnt

I understand that and some people do need welfare. I know stories of guys working two jobs and struggling. I have the genuine utmost respect. Also for people in @sadoldgit situation. However some need a kick up the ars and an ultimatum. I would question their tolerance threshold. That’s human nature. There is a lack of ars kicking in the current system. Thanks for engaging in a respectful way.

I’ve never lived on welfare. I have lived below the poverty line both in this country and abroad (the equivalent of UK poverty line). In this country my dad wouldn’t take welfare as a matter of principle. I know of people in my area who are on welfare and they are certainly not struggling. Whilst some are certainly struggling, there is too much abuse of the system in my opinion. The Labour Cabinet believe the same as they wanted welfare reform. This isn’t some mad surprise or idea

Put my view to one side. This is Tory policy to reinstate the two child cap for the reasons I said. This isn’t some outlier view. It’s the oppositions policy. I’ve lived in countries with true poverty and seen the consequence. I’ve also seen the opportunity a good capitalist system can provide and encourage people out of poverty. There is a balance to these things and my opinion is this balance has gone too far. Whilst I appreciate the respect you post with I don’t need lecturing from other rude posters about the consequences of poverty.

This is Tory policy. I didn’t say I hoped they suffered in poverty. You keep jumping to conclusions. You don’t understand the wider societal impact of such a policy on encouraging parents of those people to move towards employment in some cases and create a non state reliant future. I aspire for kids but we have different ways. You want them to be state reliant, I want a longer term plan which means they aren’t. Also don’t call me a cunt because I disagree with you. To my mind you talk utter BS sometimes but I don’t stoop that low

Poverty to dying. You’ve missed the point. Stop trying to shame me because I disagree with you. Angry little lefty

There will be some occasions of poverty as a result. These already exist as the policy is in place. All policies have pros and cons. However, this policy encourages irresponsibility and punishes those people that are responsible. Do you believe this policy will encourage people who are on welfare to have more kids and rely on the state at taxpayers expense?

Most sensible people have kids they can afford. Lots of responsible people want more kids but can’t afford them. Let’s tax those poor gits more to pay for the ones that have been irresponsible

I will respond to you. Later on. I can’t prove that. Ok most sensible people I know who graft and make net tax contributions to this country