Billy the Kidd

From BBC. Obviously not clear to everyone 🤫 England condemned the abuse as "completely unacceptable" and football's world governing body Fifa said on Friday that disciplinary proceedings had been opened "following analysis of the match reports". "It is frustrating," said Bale. "I don't know why they launch these investigations that take so long. It is clear to see. "I really don't get why there needs to be such a big investigation. It is clear that it happened."

It may go to tribunal in that case, not sure they’d get £5m though

Yeah, I’m not sure we can do the buy the youngest keeper thing. I see sense in getting a younger keeper to fight for 2/3rd choice, and haven’t we been strongly looking at one from the lower leagues? That makes sense to me. I’d hope we can do this in Jan, as much as I’m ok with McCarthy being 2nd choice, I’m really uncomfortable with him being No1, even for a season.

Yep, i get why we kept on existing keeper on a new contract, either would be ok as 2nd choice, so I’m ok with McCarthy doing so. I did wonder if Fraser moves on in Jan if we do this deal with SJ, maybe 6 month loan to WBA, with us paying most the wages.

Exactly what ive been saying for ages when people keep questioning why we dont sign Romero. Likely because we dont want him, can get a better, younger keeper that we want. I thought y’day we may try a low Jan offer for him, I’d imagine they have been speaking to his agent also. Could have legs, this one.

Playing the victim again are you. Get over it fella 😅 No one has made a direct, personal assault on you. You are starting to sound ridiculous now. And what does it matter to you if I carried on - like I said i was trying to understand your point? It literally says nothing of being of my word. Literally with most things you have said today, backs up my belief you are incredibly ignorant in some of your beliefs. All that shows, as East Kent suggested, is you dont answer the Q, you change it slightly, and I agreed with him. Anyhow, maybe you have a point, there isn’t much engagement going on with you, and it is getting a bit boring. I’m off to have a good evening with the lovely Mrs Billy.

Absolutely spot on. Well said.

How do you know this? Let me help you - you dont. You dont know who I am, what I do. So, you made an assumption. And even if I did hear it from the he ‘media’ so fucking what? The many, many sources discussing last night had lots of information about stuff that went on. I tell you what - if it comes out there was no racist chanting aimed at black players - I will apologise to you. Will you do the same if they prove there was? I suspect, following your levels of assumptions, that you wont, as you wil say something like ‘i have nothing to apologise for’.

And whilst the media is one source of hearing about stuff, it doesn’t have too be exclusive, does it. And you dont know what I am following, you simply cant make that judgement, can you. And it still doesn’t make it wrong. It doesn’t mean people follow blindly to it, or do just feel superior by trying so hard to be different? Ive tried hard to understand your view. Ive not tried to change your view, as it is so far from my reality, and it isn’t my place to try to change it. In trying to understand your view, the only things I can see is that white people count too, as in they were also abused. And that maybe this didnt happen, and that you are down playing the issues that are systematic in our society. IS this correct, or have I misinterpreted what you are saying, as it is pretty confusing.

Or that other people realise what is going on, want things to change, and want to help do something about it. Part of that is calling out things like the shit posts on this thread about how the white players suffered 😭 Never heard such horseshit suggesting people are following a media line, just because their views are different from these. Haven’t the 1950 called yet, asking for their bigoted opinions back

“Makes you come across as a bit of a prick”. Not really the same thing as calling you a prick, but that doesn’t fit your victim attitude. I’ve made myself clear on why I won’t engage you, I’d imagine most on here can understand why, given your views. Now run along, I’m sure there are some re-runs of ‘In sickness and in Health’ available.

I didn’t think there was any racist behaviour in the last World Cup, thought the Russians were very well behaved.

Thanks for your reasoned response. Yeah the game was good and I thought we showed we had learnt stuff about controlling the game, was a good performance. I haven’t been to an England match in about 20 years, 2-0 home win v Georgia I think before the 98 World Cup, think Shearer got one.

That’s all a bit Schrodingers Cat!

You know very well that many times players do hear it and if they do every player off every colour should unite and walk off. Any how I’m not engaging with you further, not with your views on this subject, and what I believe you are. It doesn’t sit right with me.

That isn’t childish name calling. I said don’t be such a dick about it. Are you now going all woke on me as you’re called out for a bigot 😂 Oh the irony. Deal with the subject Turkish, you clearly have an issue with the racist stuff being in the public eye and getting the attention it rightly deserves. no one says don’t get angry about white people getting abuse, yet still you fail to acknowledge the racist stuff is far worse and far more personal.

I agree the knee thing needs looking at, but surely we need a far better strategy to deal with it. For me there should be zero tolerance - if it happens, the players walks off and dont come back. The people who do it are far likely to keep doing it, as people around them simply wont tolerate it. Perhaps there needs to also be better ways at identifying the people who do it, maybe with harsher penalties too.

Not sure it was the right post, but ok. Your post doesn’t seem to have the context of what i first wrote, but never mind! It is irrelevant that player didnt hear it, Jesus you really seem to be against this being reported. If it happened, and it was heard by anyone, means there is a problem with some sections of the crowd, and it needs to be stopped. Dont be a dick and label people being ‘Woke’ and that just makes you come across as a bit a a prick, someone slightly too old trying to be cool. You also wanted to make a thing of white people being abused, as if it were the same thing, and why should the black thing be picked up. For me, this is such a lazy, ignorant attitude. I’m actually wondering if you are my dad, as he has pretty similar views and is in his mid 70’s 😂 I am with you in so far as the whole nation being labelled as racist is wrong, but there is a major issue pretty much globally that needs to be addressed and needs to be stopped. You labelling shit as work is as much of the problem as the people doing it, and I think it is totally inappropriate. If that is really how you feel, I’m not one to want to engage with you further.

I’m not thinking it is ideal, but would be surprised if we went down. Big gamble maybe, I did wonder if we go in for Johnston in January.

So what, what has that got to do with what I said? I mentioned it was the press that heard it. You sure youre quoted the right post? So, are you suggesting it didnt happen at all, and the press made it up? Maybe, and if true that will come out, and rightly so. And if it did happen, will you still bang the ‘what about the white peoples abuse’ drum.

Or maybe, we dont want Romero, and have our eye on 1 or 2 other keepers next summer when we have more money and the opportunity. Remember Sam Johnstone will be free in the summer. If we got him (not saying we want him/he will come) but if it did happen, it means we have more money on other areas of the team.

So, the TV crews were very near the ‘Ultras’ so could hear it there. So it pretty much did happen. And no, I doubt all fans in the stadium did it, and doubt all of them are racist. The white players were abused, but not to the extent of having monkey chants aimed at them, that is something that is aimed towards Black players. Just because white players had abuse, it wasnt racist, just more vitriolic, whilst not nice, is nowhere near as bad. It is in my opinion absolutely correct to call our the racist abuse for what it is, irrespective of white player being abused. Im not black, but can understand a little how that must feel, and having some very close friends who are, we often talk about this stuff, have done for years, and it has helped me understand the issue better. If it were as simple as ‘well white people were abused too’ argument, then why did some of the crowd have to differentiate between colour, aiming monkey chants? Why couldn’t the black players get the same abuse as white players?

Yeah I’m sure he will be at fault for some, and I totally agree it is a clean slate. We are likely to be paying more salary than he used to get, but maybe not as much as we were paying Vesty, I’m not de facto on that, but can see that maybe being the case. And again, so what, good luck to him. I dont think I have ever reduced my salary when ive been offered a new job, not sure why footballers, unless they are hurtling towards the end of their careers (thinking Theo etc.) should be any different.

So one player isn’t alone responsible for shipping every goal a team concedes, and I also thought he was not wanted as he wears the even a regular in a side that shipped so many goals. I also think he is duly responsible for industrial era global warming, and for the monkey chants that never happened in Budapest last night. Wow, what a guy our Lyanco is. Out of interest, what salary was he on in Italy, and what do we know he is on now? I mean, it is possible we gave him a rise, and so what? We wanted him to come.

I would have thought Cedric was more of a Son-in-Law that JWP. I guess every day is a school day on here.