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Fucking Brexit

I'll go with all of the above, including Brexit. After all, the UK penalises itself in terms of 'carbon tax' more severely since we left the EU than when we were in it. This drives up the cost of energy, especially if it wasn't generated using 'renewable' resources. Who runs this mysterious cartel that keeps the EU prices low (and why are they not all the same?)? Which specific element of the Brexit withdrawal agreement has contributed to the UK having higher prices than the EU since we left? Why do you have an unhealthy relationship with the 'day ahead' wholesale prices for electricity - it is effectively a stock market where prices can go up or down dependent on a number of factors (many of which I've mentioned previously). Surely the 'average' price over a length of time is more useful? I'm assuming you got your chart from this website which states (no data yet for 2021) : Meanwhile in good old blighty taken from this website : NB the average for the UK for 2020 was 19.5p/kWh. Apart from your 'day ahead' chart that you've posted a couple of times, how do you reach the conclusion that we are paying more for our electricity than Germany since we left the EU?

Are we back to discussing Electricity prices or are we still conflating gas and electric? If we're back to Electricity, as I've already mentioned there are a combination of issues : 1. Wind power - it hasn't been very windy so the entire North Sea wind farm has been unproductive. 2. Nuclear - we don't produce much by this method, and we import some from France (who add a bit of bunce on top of what they sell it to us for and who could blame them!). 3. Solar - yep, we've invested in solar farms to provide our electricity supply, in the UK, madness! 4. Coal - we've shut down most of our coal power plants. All of these thigs (as well as a fire on the line that we use to import electricity from France), has led to a shortage of supply. When the demand outstrips supply, prices go up, it's simple economics which some might term 'profiteering'. In order to try and boost our supply, we have used gas in the gas fired power stations to produce more electricity. The price of gas is very high due to global demands which means the price of the electricity that is produced using it has risen. You cannot 'simply' compare the cost of our electricity with the EU and blame Brexit for it! For example, France has a very high reliance on nuclear power so it hasn't suffered quite as badly (although it is expecting price rises). Germany has a similar power supply network to us and has focussed on 'renewables' but has suffered in much the same way as us when it comes to rising prices.

Yep. Otherwise there would be a breach of contract claim....

Fucking Brexit! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58627325 Obviously this is 100% the fault of Brexit! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58615784

Get over it, you lost, we left.

So just to be clear, there is some mythical 'cartel' operating in the EU ensuring that the prices are kept low? Bearing in mind that Snoriersaint's latest random tweet is referring to the price of gas and not electricity which we were previously discussing. Odd then that the EU is also suffering from 'soaring' gas (and electricity) prices, this marvellous EU cartel must be doing a pretty shit job at keeping prices low as claimed. https://www.ft.com/content/0fba039b-9e1a-413f-aa3a-7478d02ef3a5 Definitely got absolutely nothing to do with the Russians limiting the 'additional' supplies of gas and only fulfilling their contractual obligations, no sir, definitely not. It's definitely Brexit causing the prices to rise in the EU Bloody FT, what do they know about economics 101 eh?

https://news.sky.com/story/energy-crisis-how-long-will-it-last-and-what-happens-if-your-supplier-goes-bust-12412648

Except you've completely ignored economics 101; supply and demand! With the line supplying us from France catching fire, the amount of supply available diminishes. Lower supply whilst retaining the same level of demand = higher prices. If we had a week of 30+mph winds in the North sea our supply will increase and the prices decrease. That has nothing to do with Brexit.

Presumably then, the lack of wind powering our wind farms and the lack of sun powering our solar farms can only be attributed to Brexit. The fact that we ditched our own nuclear power strategy and have to rely on buying the excess capacity from the French must also be due to Brexit. I imagine the fire in the cable that supplies that electricity is due to Brexit as well. Add in the 'global' gas shortage and the curb in supplies from Russia and you have yet another Brexit reason driving the price of electricity upwards. https://www.independent.co.uk/business/energy-prices-france-uk-fire-b1921154.html I get that this is the thread which blames Brexit for any random events that happen that negatively impact the country, but the spot price of electricity on Friday being attributed to Brexit is a huge leap that I would expect snoriersaint to gobble up, but figured you would be one of the last people to fall for the rhetoric.

Like I said, no idea who he is. It looks like he's used an extreme for the UK versus an average for the EU which is misleading at best. If only we hadn't abandoned nuclear power we would have had a stable, cheap supply of electricity that would have been carbon neutral....

I found it more of a challenge doing one armed press ups

No idea who Clive Savage is, but the Guardian suggest his figures are way off... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/02/uk-energy-bills-to-rise-after-record-wholesale-electricity-prices

Nowhere near as disappointed as when ordering a Flemish pint though.

We can't negotiate a trade deal with the world's economy. We can negotiate one with the world's largest economy. Quite a difference....

That may be true. Not sure you can argue about all packaging being marked in metric when the only reason we have this is to abide by the EU laws in place when we were members of the EU. Surely the fact that we 'can' now change our system is another benefit of Brexit? The comment about beer and cider is also misleading as pre-packaged (canned or kegged) product must be in litres under the same EU laws. Free poured can be sold in pints / half pints but must be dispensed in a stamped glass or using a stamped 'measure'. But this would also apply to 'loose' goods sold over the counter or on restaurant menus such as half a pound of strawberries or an 8oz steak etc. Wouldn't changing our weights and measures be useful to align ourselves with the world's largest economy, especially when it comes to trading food / drink etc?

The majority of the fish industry still uses Imperial weights.

Which you hate literally everything about. Never seen a single good word from you about the country you live in. I guess some are never happy unless they are moaning.

Nope. Brexit is done and dusted, over, finished with, there's even a clue in the title of this thread. I've never said that means we can't renegotiate terms now that Brexit is done. Indeed, isn't that one of the benefits of Brexit that we are able to negotiate trade deals, even the ones we have with the EU?

I'm not sure you've grasped that Brexit has happened. It's done and dusted. There is no hard or soft to argue about. We are where we are...

Just to recap, Brexiters won the vote to leave the EU. The UK has left the UK and for some reason you think it is Brexiters that need to compromise on their ideology because 'you' don't like how it has turned out. Not sure you truly understand what 'compromise' means!

Hargreaves Lansdown. https://www.hl.co.uk/black-interns-pilot

The 'flu jab is updated on an annual basis to combat the most prevalent strain of influenza that year. I haven't seen any information that the COVID 'booster' has been updated and it would appear that they will be using the original vaccine that was created. The same vaccine that supposedly offered 90 - 95% protection after 2 doses (compared with 40-60% for 'flu). What makes more sense in this scenario, offering the 'booster' to a population that already has around 95% protection anyway so will potentially see only a very slight marginal gain of a couple of percentage points, or donating the vaccines we have agreed to pay for to a country that cannot afford their own, thus offering them around 70% protection (one dose), to limit the chances of the virus spreading and mutating to something more nasty? Booster jabs would be more effective next year once the most prevalent strain has been identified and the vaccine tailored towards that.

Yet, despite all those selfish people who have refused to have their vaccinations, more curbs will be imposed on those that have had them if / when the hospitals start to fill up. Maybe there is one situation where a covid passport would be warrented

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