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You interpret it as 'frustrating' - maybe redirecting their post or swapping their wheelies bins around! Personally, I'm more inclined to believe their 'frustration' refers to Article 7 where the Jihad and Allah's promise is to fight and kill the Jews :

Incorrect. Article 32 states : They want the Jews dead, all of them and they are happy to follow them wherever they 'expand'. The 'current' beef is with Jews in Israel. Once they are done with that and 'eradicated' them all, they'll move on to the next country or countries.

They also state that they will eradicate the Jews wherever they try to expand, so yes, you are right that the current Jihad is about taking the land, but they clearly reserve the right to take land and eradicate the Jews wherever they go next. This isn't misinformation, it is clearly written in the charter - although I can understand why an Israeli backed article would highlight only the current Jihad and not muddy the waters with the future intentions as that works in their favour right now....

It was their stated aim - article 7 in the Hamas charter. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant, but they've definitely made a start.

Surely that's even more reason?

Apparently the ad was shot in August so it must be a deep rooted hatred from M&S. Won't stop the boycott calls though! Maybe they'll have some mice released in their stores dyed the Palestinian flag colours like McDonalds did yesterday!

That is taken from the literal translation of the Charter of Hamas. I've posted the link to that Charter several times but it is here As stated previously, Hamas conflates Israel with Jews and Jews (Zionists) with Israel. They are happy to follow them round the globe and eliminate them when they expand - again, evidence of this in the article quotes above. As for the bit about Israel being evil, I agree entirely. They want to wipe Hamas from the map. Hamas gave them the opportunity to do that with (some) impunity on 7/10. I agree they have the right to defend themselves. I don't think indiscriminate bombing is the answer, but I've said before that war is dirty business. I also don't believe the current actions will create more 'martyrs' in the future. Look at Hiroshima. Despicable action killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, but it ended the war and potentially saved the loss of millions more lives. It didn't turn Japan into a nation hell bent on revenge.

Article 28 states : Pretty clear what they think of Jews (not just the ones next door to them in Israel but all Jews that defy Islam). There are many other examples within the charter where they refer to the Zionist 'spy' institutions such as the Rotary, Lions, etc etc. that exist across the globe as well as the claim of Global control / influence through money. You know, the standard anti semitic tropes. The opening passages of the Charter state this : Elimination presumably means just that, rather than giving them a stern telling off. Article 7 states : Pretty clear that they are calling for the Jews to be killed. Article 32 makes it clear that Hamas will not tolerate Zionist (Jewish) expansion anywhere else, not just Palestine / Israel : But I get your point, at no point in the charter does it state that Hamas 'wants to kill all Jews'. It does make it pretty clear that it WILL kill the Jews who undertake expansionist policies - given that Hamas don't believe the Jews should live anywhere, it's pretty clear they are happy to kill all Jews when you link the articles of the Charter together. Although there is hope of peace. Article 31 points out that the three religions can co-exist : Well, they can, just as long as the other two religions bow down to Islam and agree it is the 'superior' religion. Marvellous.

Indeed, the Charter is Hamas : https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm Whilst Hamas are not all Palestinians, they certainly claim that their problems should be addressed by all Muslims, not just those living in Palestine When it comes to the 'peace process', this is what Hamas' charter has to say : Their stance seems pretty clear. Reading through the charter is fascinating (especially the role of women in article 17) and has highlighted to me that one of the biggest issues around this debate is that we, as 'Westerners', want to hold up our 'Western' values, especially around the sanctity of life, and in doing so completely disregard Hamas' interpretation of their Holy teachings. Hamas expects ALL muslims (all around the world, not just in Gaza) to take up the Jihad for what they believe are 'their' lands. Therefore, for Hamas, there are no 'innocent' lives in this struggle, so why should Israel regard women and children as innocent? Obviously, according to 'Western' values that is abhorrent.

Not sure which part of the 71 page document you are referring to, but on page 2 of the link you gave it states : That may just be some clumsy terminology but more likely to be anti semitic ala Soggy and conflating Israel and Jews.

If you read the charter I linked to earlier, it explains that this is a Jihad to rid Palestine of the Jews. It's not about what I, or anyone else believes, it's written in the charter as to what should happen. It also clarifies that ALL followers of Islam MUST assist in this holy war, wherever they live in the world. There is no evidence that this can be negotiated upon amongst believers, let alone non believers. As Hypo has asked, where is the starting point for negotiations with this stance?

Their manifesto was watered down to attract the gullible to vote for them and is not consistent with their charter. This passage is particularly enlightening : https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm When it comes to Israel, they have this to say :

Oh, how quickly they forget! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67284270 As long as 'everyone' aren't Russians.... https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/our-stories/article/mcd-exit-russia.html

I'm not sure they publish leaflets or take full page ads out in the local press but there's this : https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html

Even better for your balance sheet....

It's a very weak point. There are no elections in Oman, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi, Afghanistan, North Korea etc etc, but they don't cross into their neighbour's back yard, attack people at a music festival and claim it's because they didn't vote for the ruling party. If it's such a big deal, perhaps it answers the question "Why should Palestinians have to go to Egypt".

There hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006 because the party that was voted in by the people promptly b-anned elections! Reap what you sow springs to mind.

Wasn't the same said about ISIS and the caliphate? Military action has reduced it to a few nutters who want their virgins for eternity. Whilst religion exists, religious hatred will exist also. Doesn't mean "do nothing" should be the default answer.

Where does this horseshit come from? Is it just people wishing that will happen and hoping it will? I'm sure there were a few dullards saying the same thing when the world went to war with the Nazis, look how that turned out. Just a few of them left with their belt buckles, not enough to make any real difference.

We had vegan sausages. They were shit. Another reason why Mrs WSS should wear her glasses whilst shopping.

Given the information available right now, it is impossible to know whether the occupants of the car were "innocent". The "family" could be Father and two sons. It still amazes me how members of this board can jump to conclusions - just like the hospital explosion. Who knows, the car "could" have been highlighted by other soldiers on the ground as containing Hamas members, just as equally as it "could" contain an innocent family.

Were there any Hamas in the car?

Consent on the other hand....

Didn't Israel warn everyone to move from the North of Gaza to the South about 2 weeks ago?

Definitely not betting my house on that one.