Farmer Saint

Hmmm...Vasco Matos

Leicester fans hated him for his tactics, as did his players.

Completely depends on the contracts, and what is agreed post-sacking.

I think the £12m is including bringing in a new management team and coaches, not just sacking RM - that is too high for sure.

SR are complicit in this TBF

It's why he survived past Leicester - they approached the agents of Moyes and Potter and both said categorically no, which is why we kept him for the time-being. They wanted someone in place to bring in quickly.

I bet he'll love this from Emery: "I appreciate a lot some teams and young coaches and how they are being brave and showing different ways. One of them is Russell Martin."

Very different teams though - he had Tadic, Davis, Romeu, JWP, Hojberg, Bertrand, Gabbiadini, Soares, Lemina, Yoshida, Austin, Boufal, who would probably all get into this side...sadly.

Clearly, that's why after leaving us he went on to manage...[checks internet]...League 2 Bradford City. And then got sacked. After 8 months. Hmmm. He was good once, but that was a long time before he joined Saints.

Not judging by the fact he doesn't look PL quality it doesn't.

I wasn't the person who brought it up, I was just explaining it.

No. But it's true, and I've covered how and why I know previously.

Can't disagree with this.

That is some fucking record 🤣

I think the thing is he needs very good tools (players) to make it a success. It is not a tactic for shit players (or players below the quality of other teams).

I don't agree with this, I think he actually has a very high ceiling. The issue is he also has a really fucking low floor.

Well why don't we try to bring in Klopp then. Make him interested as you say.

Yeah, nothing to do with Stephens or Bednarek, two of the worst PL defenders of all time. RMs tactics are partially to blame, but these two weren't even in our team last time in the Prem, and we conceded nearly as many with better defenders and supposedly better tactics. Stephens and Bednarek are known for huge lapses in concentration. I don't think anyone can get them to play like PL players.

But he's not interested.

I'd give Danny Rohl a try tbh.

The issue is we've bought players to play in a certain style, RM's. As part of this we didn't replace Che who is very good at holding up the ball - which is why even when we clear it long now the ball comes straight back. As a club we've gone balls deep on this strategy. It doesn't help that our players are not good enough in general for the PL, and funnily enough I thought for the first half an hour until we lost Stephens (and even a few attacks after that) we looked very good going forward. This issue is, and has always been, defensively we are dog shite.

Yep, agree with that.

But that's not a benchmark. To benchmark you need to compare to other managers.

I'm trying to give you perspective - without perspective what you're saying is meaningless because you'd have no idea how to benchmark.

We all think he should be sacked, what's your point?