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Hardly surprised.... haha. Just a shame that I don't have my passport handy, will need to see what can be arranged after work. Travel from Birmingham or London may be a good option for me either way.

On the contrary, it's entirely relevant. It just serves to underline my point that people are fundamentally selfish.

That's not what i'm saying at all! haha. I am in favour of a welfare state for those that need it.

Airline prices have already shot up!!

Flying to Dusseldorf may be the best option for away fans, only 28 miles from Arnhem.

If we do beat them it will certainly get our co-efficient up.

Ooooo Vitesse Arnhem.... Relatively tricky.

Great, starting with the Champions League. #sigh

He usually gets there for about 7.30 after the 3pm games. At that point i'm usually on the floor at the Albion or back in Kings Worthy..... It's the classy thing to do.

The welfare state is the prime and most relevant example. Something implemented in good faith that is being abused to the detriment of those it was put into place for. It can be played as a way of life, draining the nation's resources and souring perception of it as a concept.

Because it stops the negative parts of the human condition from effecting the collective whole as much as socialism. Agree with the point on free market capitalism too, but capitalism and conservatism are not the same.

Located in 'Novi Sad' a mere 50m drive from Nikola Tesla Airport, Belgrade. Easy!!

Kukesi would be fun! Middle of nowhere Albania.

You are missing my point. I'm not advocating selfishness, I'm saying that when push comes to shove that's how people behave. Beyond logic, beyond morals that simply 'is.' It's similar to the 'flight or fight' response, when it comes to it, people will react in a certain way. I'm not saying it's right, i'm not saying it's best. It just is. And to work as though that isn't the case because it is undesirable is the worst thing of all. The focus should be on developing a system that circumvents selfishness and rewards effort. (Not that i'm saying that's what we have now, but better to work with what is available then impose an over reaching yet sadly impractical moral view upon people who are in an already pressured environment.)

He needed an operation. But oh mate, the possibilities.

F**k 'em.

Fair play to you. I respect those that stand by their beliefs even if they do not tie in with my own. The best conversations happen over a few beers when things get controversial! haha.

What is your job out of interest? NHS wasn't it? And if you truly believe that selling off the reserves that underpinned our economy for decades are is less important then the institution they helped pay for then you are truly a complete fool. Backing up the Government you voted for that f**ked our self sustainability forever. Idiocy.

Who would you vote for now Hockey_saint? Out of interest, and why?

Touché my friend, higher ground and all that. Miné's an elevated Becks Vier while you are up there.

Naturally. That was a crime. As a discussion went today, had Gordon Brown been a company director he would have been imprisoned for fraud for selling off the nation's gold reserves at his own best interest rather then the nation's when they were at their lowest value. Just throwing it out there.

No, but human nature does suck. There is also a significant difference between sociopathy and self preservation. They are not mutually exclusive.

Say the f**k what!? haha

After fifteen years of labour we ended up with a subculture of society reliant on benefits. It works all ways chap. Provide a safety net and there are those that will abuse it too. I do not want people to be selfish, I want them to be responsible, for their own actions and behavior in the context of a greater whole. Be conservative.

People also act like conservatism is a bad word. All our conversations have shown is that there is no right answer.... just a preferred way.