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I've given you my answer. Your lack of ability to get your head around it is not my concern. What was your GCSE Science grade?

What was your GCSE Science grade? Unlike the gender debate, this is definitive.

I've said it's not as simple as providing a difinitive explanation. The more is learned about Humanity, the more cloudy it gets. So. What GCSE grade did you get? Or was it so painfully poor you fear it would undermine you?

What Science GCSE grade did you get, out of interest?

It's a good debate, because people far more intelligent then me cannot either. But one certainty we can have, is that your simple starting point is as incorrect as any more educated viewpoint I could present. But your need for something difinitve rather then a more nuanced perspective does you no credit at all.

So, you accept your view is too simplistic. Then you take it back to me wanting to address it directly again. Simplistic is the word.

Read what has already been posted and build on the opinion you have just said is flawed. I'm not refusing to answer, i'm just ahead of you in already realising it's a shade of grey, not black/white.

More complex then your simplistic worldview.

Not as simple as an XY chromosome.

Resorting to such things like this such be beneath you. But, if you wish to firebomb your position go badly. Carry on. What was the old adage about arguing with an idiot.......?

False, it's why this is such a good debate. You are demonstrably wrong to make such a sweeping statement.

Or even grow children in their fully functioning Uterus it would seem.

No. You are wrong in this case. She is physically female. To make a sweeping statement on her sex you need Geno and Phenotype to match. For her this is not the case.

That you are calling Khalif 'Biologically Male' shows that do not. Her Phenotype is female.

It's not Bunce's logic. It's the logic of Khalif's female opponents. They are saying Khalif is not a cheat. Her reputation of not being a powerful puncher is just incidental and supportive of that.

Khalif is not male in terms of her Phenotype. She does not have the male equipment. She is male in terms of her Genotype only. Outright saying that Khalif is a man is incorrect. Further to this, from those within the sport as quoted by Steve Bunce, who knows more about Boxing then either of us ever will......

Her Phenotype does not match her Genotype, that is true. But, that did not give Khalif a dangerous advantage. 9 defeats in 40. She is not stupidly overpowered despite the seeming genetic advantage available. I hope to be wrong, but Carini is playing politics, poorly. There absolutely is a debate to be had. Biology is not as simple as just the Genotype in this case, how individuals like this are handled needs to be sensitively considered. Carini's melodrama (Which clearly had the desired effect) is too crude a way to approach this.

I understand the point the Italian boxer was trying to make. But, Khalif is not someone obviously transgender individual invading the competition. She has a chromosomal disorder which puts her biology in question. Khalif is not invincible. The debate needs to happen, but for me the Italian comes out of this quite poorly. She did not give the fight the respect it needed and got hurt then used that injury as a major point for discussion.

Feedback on this method would be appreciated.

Of course he is.

Has Ratboy even played in friendly yet?

Just a quick hello to all the Chileans who have now taken a passing interest in us.

It does however avoid the initial outlay on a transfer fee, more to the point.

Would make sense from an accounting sense, also mitigates things if we get relegated and he is on high wages.

There was a kid I used to teach, from a family of Chelsea fans. He supported Liverpool. His reason? 'They win more.' I could respect his honesty at least. Far better then the contrived b*locks you describe that most of those twats come out with.