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If anything they'll make money from extra program, merchandise and food/drink sales.

Oh, you know it doesn't work like that...

Ok, the Queen owns it, what power does she have to claim it and push people out?

Yes, giving away free tickets to a stadium that is only 70% or so of capacity is 'spending' £30k.

What does it matter? Any state can seize land it requires in a time of emergency.

Of course not. But labelling someone as a paedophile without explicit evidence is equally ridiculous. The tragedy here is that there will be victims here (the abused/savilles family) either way... and this shall never be proven as he is dead.

Yes, a gross assumption. And why these things need to be approached calmly. The amount of 'smoke' here certainly merits investigation though.

No, and in cases where false accusations that could further damage lives are made there should be punishment. Did any punishment find it's way to Dave Jone's accuser? But where there are accusations they must be investigated, if there is a risk of any innocent victims being left to suffer it must be removed. No-one should be left to suffer from abuse, they deserve justice. The minority that seek to abuse the system should not be allowed to corrupt it... they should suffer for their crime as well.

And like Dave Jones, if they have nothing to hide then the truth will out. But yes it can leave people vulnerable to allegations, lives can be ruined one way or another. If there are allegations though they must be investigated... Which is why the timing of the Saville allegations are suspicious. But my goodness, there is a lot coming out of the woodwork.

It is the basis of our justice system. Perfect or not it's what we have, don't get me wrong I do not believe in smoke without fire.... and there is an awful lot of smoke here, but this will only ever be hear'say. So many people would stand to lose so much if the full details are true... they would never admit it all.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Add Salt?

First broadcast in May 1999. As I understand it the 'fake' transcript first came to light in 2000.

Not what I am saying at all. I am saying that this guy (if the rumours are true...) will have needed to have a vast amount of influence and thrall over a lot of people. It's why the question in itself over the timing is a concern for me. As he is dead there would be less damage done now in coming forward, yet if people let it fly then they would surely not want to be associated. Anyone who could have interfered then but didn't due to fear of damage to employment, reputation, well-being will not come out of this smelling of roses. There would only be one true guilty party, but to sit back and let it happen would also be terrible. So, either there really has been the mother of all cover-ups or this is a really cheap way to get a story.

There's a David Icke forum!?

This link is not safe for work. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1958969/holly_willoughby_pops_out_of_her_top_in_slow_motion/

That was Holly Willoughby.

The question of 'why now, when he can't defend himself,' keeps occuring to me. The thing is, he wouldn't have been the only guilty party, anyone who would have known about this and not have come forward with the information would have been indirectly responsible for any abuse occuring from that point onwards. This puts every colleague, chauffuer, aide and senior BBC employee who would have been privy to any relevant information into an extremely dim light. A combination of their own guilt/culpability and the ongoing thrall this man may have had over them could have been enough to keep things quiet..... Not that this is in any way right. My personal feeling; if there is a cloud of smoke, you bet there's fire.

This is symptomatic though, and proof that the trust simply wouldn't work. They have a single minded agenda, for a large group of people to come together to fulfill one grander aim there needs to be an allowance for shades of gray between the finer lines of detail. Those leading the trust are utterly intolerant of contrary viewpoints and options, politics and infighting would surely occur. As a democratic entity the trust couldn't be ruled as a dictatorship, it would tear itself appart. Like all things Pompey, nieve, poorly thought through and utterly unsustainable. It may well be kind ensuring that it never gets of the ground, let dreams remain alive and unfulfilled rather then destroyed.

Would you Adam and Eve it!

He just did! haha.

It seemed as though they were about to be found out and exposed.... so they made a poorly planned break for it.

I expected a long hard struggle and hoped to be in touch with the pack after the first five fixtures where out of the way. Even mid-table teams in this league only win 1 in 3, we better get used to the fact that every win at this level is an event to celebrate, not a divine expectation.

Just seen that this is on the schedule, a very entertaining game if memory serves me well. Just thought it would be good to bring to wider attention.