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Toussaint

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  1. The lawyer bit was just a throwaway line really, it’s the “bedwetter” bit I found inflammatory. I think we can all agree this is pretty serious and therefore highly emotionally charged.
  2. Bedwetters, really, that’s the best you have, insult nearly everyone here because you somehow think they have it handled, based on… ? The layers that have guided them, was it legal aid lawyers or first year law students?
  3. I was was fixated on the pepper grinder?!?
  4. Ha trick last three minutes, I want Boro crushed and humiliated.
  5. Well, short memories and recency bias (mine), I had absolutely forgiven them everything with the second half of the season’s rapid turnaround. Now I’m back to questioning their competence and intentions all over again.
  6. I said no, but it was a marginal call, because it’s possible I and others will feel differently when everything eventually calms down. it’s been a tumultuous couple of weeks, people have been whipped up into a frenzy and played to an extent.
  7. Took a knife to a gunfight
  8. Perhaps the fact that the 14 day appeal period was truncated in light of the imminent final itself could be challenged.
  9. Football is all rigged, FIFA have already made up their minds Pakistan are going to win.
  10. losers then?
  11. So am I, but I didn’t get a look in. I think it’s an anti English thing.
  12. I know there is already a long running thread, but specifically to the naive and amateurish way we have handled this. I’ve been chatting with one of my few friends, let’s call him GPT. Sorry for the wordy summary, but this was the result of a few questions and challenges. I think there’s a strong argument that Southampton handled the politics and optics of this catastrophically, yes — possibly even worse than the underlying offence itself. A few things stand out. First, the alleged CEO contact with Steve Gibson. If the reports are accurate, speaking too freely to a furious opposing chairman in the first 24–48 hours looks naïve at best. In high-stakes regulatory disputes, early admissions and informal explanations can end up shaping the entire narrative before your legal strategy is even formed. And Gibson is not some mild-mannered bystander. He’s experienced, combative, wealthy, politically connected in football, and immediately lawyered up with Nick De Marco KC. Second, the speed of the appeal probably hurt them. An expedited appeal sounds attractive emotionally: “Fight immediately, save Wembley.” But legally, rushing can be dangerous because: you have less time to analyse written reasons, less time to challenge procedure, less time to assemble proportionality precedents, less time to prepare expert evidence, and less time to build public legitimacy around your position. It starts looking reactive rather than strategic. And I think Southampton’s public messaging drifted into indignation too early: “manifestly disproportionate” “largest penalty in English football history” That may play well with fans, but arbitration panels hate feeling publicly pressured. Third — and this is the big one — I agree they seem to have underestimated how seriously the panel would view: repeated breaches, “top down” authorisation, and the use of junior staff/interns. Once the panel concluded this wasn’t a rogue analyst but an organised practice, the moral temperature changed completely. At that point the case stopped being: “someone peeked at training” and became: “a deliberate integrity breach embedded in club operations.” That distinction matters enormously in sports law. On the barrister point — we don’t actually know the full makeup of Southampton’s legal team publicly. There are hints they had strong representation, and one report suggests they even used counsel associated with major football regulatory cases. But I do think there’s a fair criticism that they appeared strategically behind the curve compared with Middlesbrough. Boro behaved like a club preparing for war: immediate outrage, immediate evidence preservation, immediate public framing, elite sports-law counsel, relentless integrity argument, zero compromise language. Southampton behaved more like a club expecting: “fine us and let’s move on.” I suspect they genuinely did not believe expulsion was realistically on the table until very late in the process. And there’s one more subtle but important thing: By publicly comparing themselves to the Leeds United Bielsa case, Southampton may accidentally have handed the panel the perfect reason to hammer them. Because Regulation 127 was specifically strengthened after that Leeds incident. So the commission could effectively say: “Exactly. The rules were changed because clubs were warned already.” That’s not a great place to build an appeal from. My impression is: Southampton approached this initially as a PR crisis and disciplinary annoyance, Middlesbrough approached it as an existential sporting fraud case. And in tribunal settings, the side that frames the moral seriousness of the issue early often gains a huge advantage.
  13. I assume he means remedy through court action.
  14. I think the legal arguments are yet to going.
  15. To be fair I was swept up in the genius bit. But, as you say, any manager who reverted to a four man defence, had the most expensive squad in the league, then had the further injection of Peretz and Larin, Flynn recovering from long term illness, Bree returning from Loan, Ross maintaining his fitness and Edozie returning from the wilderness. I think i could have given it a good go. The other point that went under the radar was the upturn coinciding with the appointment of the assistant manager.
  16. I agree it’s poor, but I can only assume they don’t want to prejudice their next move? But, I thought they had an ace up their sleeve prior to the tribunal and possibly again for the appeal, clearly this wasn’t the case. So to your point, they have a long history of going underground when things are tough. In summary, I have no idea if there is a plan or strategy in place. I suspect everyone is too busy deleting emails and WhatsApps.
  17. It might be a big help if they want to void contracts rather than pay them up.
  18. Maybe ask his wife to do it?
  19. It is vomit inducing
  20. Desperate times.. desperate measures, its a weapon I'd hoped we wouldn't have to use. Who has the code for releasing the FAB, once entered there is no turning back?
  21. Semi final costs should absolutely be part of the deal.
  22. Do we know for certain this is all Tonda's doing, that he was the head of the snake?
  23. I think that only applies to Saints Travel
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