Matthew Le God

They were likely waiting for the summer to minimise impact to training and based on that quote I guess they will start soon. Videos of training on Saints Player show nothing had been done it terms of removing the existing buildings by the end of the season.

Beers + Fags = Lung and liver disease and premature death (and others passively inhaling) FACT

How do you know they aren't?

Pardew joins Saints 17th July 2009 22 days later.... First game of the season versus Millwall 8th August 2009 and Pardew was very much in charge and had by that point signed Dan Harding and also been in charge of friendlies against Hearts and QPR. I think you are confusing the Millwall game with the Ajax friendly on the 18th July (day after Pardew took charge) that Henderson was in charge. 22 days is of course not anywhere near a full preseason and is why I put Wotte/Pardew Summer 09.

And I was saying after Seaborne, Fonte and Martin signed Perry was only was needed for cup games due to players being cup tied. Next season Fonte and Seaborne won't be cup tied and you have Jaidi and Martin as well. How often do you think 5th and 6th choice centre backs play? You are setting your sights too low alpine. Saints only intend to be in this league one more year and Perry isn't good enough to play in the Championship in 2011/12 and are looking for players that can progress with them upwards through the leagues.

Since Ian Branfoot left 16 years ago in 1994, Saints have only had four occasions where the same manager has been in charge for consecutive pre seasons. Alan Ball - Summer 94 Dave Merrington - Summer 95 Graeme Souness - Summer 96 Dave Jones - Summer 97 [u][b]One[/b][/u] Summer 98 [u][b]Two[/b][/u] Summer 99 (Jones left in Jan 00) Glenn Hoddle - Summer 00 Stuart Gray - Summer 01 Gordon Strachan - Summer 02 [u][b]Three[/b][/u] Summer 03 (Strachan left in Feb 04) Steve Wigley - No pre seasons Paul Sturrock - Summer 04 Steve Wigley - No pre seasons Harry Redknapp - Summer 05 George Burley - Summer 06 [u][b]Four[/b][/u] Summer 07 (Burley left in Jan 07) John Gorman - No pre seasons Nigel Pearson - No pre seasons Jan Poortvliet - Summer 08 Mark Wotte/Alan Pardew - Summer 09 [u][b]Five[/u][/b] [b]Summer 10[/b] In all that time Man Utd have had one manager with 15 consecutive pre seasons and you could even take it back to 1986. Quite a telling record. Pardew only had 4 weeks of pre Season for the 09/10 season but as he now has the whole summer 2010, some stability is coming that has been lacking in the last 16 years

No, of course not! Why do you think it would?

ummm.... Chris Perry didn't play a league game in 2010! The only games he played in were cup games when Seaborne and Fonte were cup tied. Seaborne and Fonte won't be cup tied next season. Wayne Thomas played in only 5 League games in 2010 (4 since Fonte and Seaborne signed). These games at right back due to injuries to Murty & Otsemobor and were when Aaron Martin went to Salisbury on loan. Maybe Pardew doesn't plan to loan Martin again.

Exactly. Saints have Fonte, Jaidi, Seaborne and Martin. Perry and Thomas would be 5th and 6th. An expensive option to keep them and not even have them on the bench! If they stayed they wouldn't get a game. Their wages better used elsewhere.

Perry and Thomas are 5th and 6th choice centre backs. How often do you think 5th and 6th choice will be used next season? I'd wager not at all!. Is it worth paying them thousands to not even sit on the bench or is is not better to use the money saved from their wages elsewhere? James is a central midfielder. He is extremely average and most likely will end up at another League One side. Saints intend to be a Championship side in 12 months and will be looking for players that can play at that level to compete with Hammond/Schneiderlin. No point James not even making the bench at Saints if more central midfielders are brought this summer. Some people in this thread are setting their expectations too low and showing too much sentiment and not enough ambition!

Use the Bargate silhouette from the council logo.

Why have you quoted me saying something I didn't say?

Only one of the players released was in the starting 11 - Otsemobor. How does that require gelling time? All the rest were basically the deadwood of the squad. Perry and Thomas would have been 5th and 6th choice centre backs on high wages so them leaving has freed up wages to be used elsewhere. Calderon is coming in at right back, so no need for James/Thomas there and likely they'd be bringing in more cover in central midfield.

You'll bankrupt yourself!

A retained list is for those coming to the end of a contract and offered a new one. That doesn't apply to the players you mention.

You do realise Saints had 40 players over the age of 19 don't you? Losing 13 players now still leaves them with a huge squad even if they were a Premiership side let alone in League One!

Lallana and Puncheon will be first choice out wide again next season. Both are hardly slow! I also wouldn't rule out a return for Antonio (less chance with Papa Waigo).

He is not a right back. He is a centre back that has been played out of position as a right back. He is not good enough at centre back and is even worse at right back and offers no attacking threat from that position which is what Pardew wants.

But if Pardew rates Fonte, Seaborne, Jaidi and Martin as above Thomas in the pecking order there is little point even offering him £2k p/w to be 5th choice. May as well use that money from the budget to improve other areas such as central midfield and right back.

Thomas was on huge wages. The club has 4 centre backs now - Fonte, Jaidi, Martin and Seaborne. No need to keep Thomas when he is taking up wages that could be better used elsewhere. Calderon is about to sign, so no need to keep Otsemobor on the bench on high wages and not getting a game.

I think you are still struggling to understand what a retained list means! Pulis and Wotton are still under contract.

That would go down well Peter! A public lynching if this happened! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8683904.stm

No, he is from London and started at Crystal Palace before they released him. He then went to Protec Football Development School for a few weeks before being scouted by Southampton. Saints signed him late on in his development and he wasn't at the club for very long at all. He left Saints because he was an alleged troublemaker and bad influence. He won't be back at Saints at time soon after all of that!

Why were all those Preston players acredited to me? All I did was list all the players Preston were releasing. I didn't say they could all do a job for Saints. Some of them are crap!

Needs to be emailed to the club, for use in the future. Would be too late now for 2010/11.