Matthew Le God

Irrelevant as we are taking about the present and at present FM doesn't have those bugs. CM does have those bugs. FM has changed the way it has been developed/tested this year and I predict will have far fewer bugs than ever before.

Apart from the (flawed) set piece creator what does CM10 have that FM doesn't? The list the other way round is huge.

Do any of those happen in 9.0.3 or FM10? No they don't. The AI in CM is non existent. Will Eidos release patches beyond the 11th Sept to correct problems? No

So things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Adq0cjN3Y don't worry you?

You haven't included Adam Lallana in the match 18. No chance that will happen.

Notts County with backers more likely to waste large wages on people where as Mr Liebherr is doing it sensibly. 40k per week Notts County spend on Sven as director of football. Sol Campbell was on close to 100k per week at Pompey.

So you missed the sticky thread at the top of the page?

There will be about 20,000 other strangers for you to talk to at the game. No need to ask here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Adq0cjN3Y Some more evidence of the players having no AI. I love how the keeper pauses to ponder before he does the deed.

I bet you he ends up in the Premiership one way or another in the next 2 to 3 years. Morgan is a class act and if played alongside someone decent that does the ball-winning which hopefully Dean Hammond will do he will excel.

He is far too good for League One so was never going to come here and wouldn't have been good for him either at this stage of his career.

Read the article and it explains. Well to an extent. Basically it is like the MLS, you play all the teams in your own league plus a few games against a few teams in one of the other academy leagues.

Are you one of those people? Ashley Young is 5 inches taller than Dean Cox.

Have any reviewers had a hands on with FM10? I don't think they have St Marco.

Look at the team shape(or lack of it) and player movement in that video. They are running around like an under 11 schoolboy match. You surely can't think that resembles a realistic game of professional football! You are looking at the shiny and nice player animations and ignoring the actual game of football that is being played out. Watch it closely and you will see.

By no means is FM09 perfect but it is light years ahead of CM10. FM10 will make that gap even larger. I have played all three Putting your keeper in midfield and conceding goals is not a game breaking bug as that is what you would expect to happen if you did the same in real life. However if you did what you see in that set piece video in real life the defenders would ignore the players on the touchline and zonal mark the danger in the middle of the goal, that would happen in FM but not CM.

It is so funny to watch just how poor this match engine is

It isn't one piece of the game. It shows that there is no AI. Just watch the players in a match. They swarm around the ball like headless chickens. It doesn't represent a real game of football in any way. Yes, it has better player animations than FM. But the the underlying match engine(the important bit) is truly shocking and like something from a mid to late 1990's game.

It isn't cheating to create a set piece. The most important thing this shows is not that it is possible to do set pieces like this, but that the players have NO AI what-so-ever. This lack of AI will be shown in other areas of the game. That is so worrying it should stop anyone from wanting to play the game until it is fixed as it is a game breaker. The problem with this is that Eidos/BGS have said they are unlikely to produce patches beyond one on 11th September.

You are missing the point. The computer didn't make the set piece it was the user. The computer in each of those goals is the defending team.

It shows that the players have very poor AI when it comes to marking. It is him using the set piece creator to show a massive flaw in the game. He instructed his attackers to run or stand on the side of the pitch. The defenders blindly mark them without considering the huge space in the of free space in the centre of the pitch. The match engine is fundamentally flawed. Players just run around like headless chickens.

The database is something they aren't going to get right. The CM database is made by a small number of people(10 people in their office) that don't watch or support the majority of the clubs they research. They also have a small number of external researchers and sources of data. FM database is made by over 1,500 researchers all around the world that are mostly season ticket holders.

The video link I showed shows the whole match engine has no player AI. That is quite a large problem. The database is massively incorrect. That is an enormous problem.

That'll teach you to be pedantic Ron

It is a beta demo released 3 weeks before the game goes on sale. If they can't sort it out in 2 years of development time they have no chance in under 3 weeks. Remember it takes time for a game to go into manufacture/distribution to shops and that process will happen along time before 11th September.