Matthew Le God

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You have taken it out of context when in combination with other posts.

You have misquoted me.

How is this relevant?

It is not wrong, because knowledge is a subset of belief. You have beliefs and these beliefs can be supported by evidence/knowledge. That is what makes it a subset. Do you believe in regard to god everyone is either an...? i) agnostic atheist ii) gnostic atheist iii) agnostic theist iv) gnostic theist

In that context I would be a agnostic theist in the top right of the diagram. I believe it is possible, but don't know it is true.

Don't let facts get in the way of egg imagining what he thinks I've said rather than what I actually said!

No I haven't. I may have said I haven't seen any evidence that supports the Bible, but that is not the same thing. If you can explain how a global flood that killed millions is the act of a 100% kind and loving god I'd love to hear it. The babies he killed in that story were entirely innocent and did not deserve death. It is not kind and loving to kill them.

- Faith is without evidence - Belief can be supported by evidence (hence why knowledge is a subset) If you have good evidence you don't need faith... you'd use the evidence!

That is a definition I'd use for faith, not belief.

Beliefs can be supported by evidence and knowledge. As I outlined in post #1304. That makes them a subset.

You can use evidence of previous seasons, the strength of Saints squad and other club's squads to form an opinion. You would then have a belief supported by evidence.

Good, we agree... so what is your contention?

Faith is the excuse people give if they don't have good evidence, if you had good evidence you would not need faith... you'd use the evidence instead! It is irrational and gullible to believe things without evidence.

I was, Christians claim god wants everyone to know his message. If someone provides me with compelling evidence the Christian god exists and manifests in reality I will believe in him. So... what do you have in the way of evidence apart from an old man made book?

When did I say that? You are now making up things you think I've said. I believe it is possible Lighthouse might have a pet goldfish and if I went to his house and saw his pet goldfish I'd then have knowledge of him having pet goldfish.

So you can't muster up anything remotely serious then!?

Hit me with your best, most compelling piece of evidence why I should believe in the Christian god rather than any of the other thousands of gods that litter human history.

I'm puzzled why you think beliefs can't be supported by evidence.

The question has been in the thread for 5 days. Will you give it a go when you have finished work then?

How does that prove I'm misguided?

You've had enough time for numerous other answers! I can understand why you might want to avoid attempting to explain how a 100% kind and loving god can drown huge numbers of people. The babies he drowned did nothing wrong, he committed a genocide of the global population because he threw a fit because his creation went wrong, strange that happened as he is supposed to be all knowing and should have known it would **** up. Pretty inept at being a god!

Go on... explain why my summary is wrong

You did not answer the question... Do you think we should follow the 10 commandments? One of them says disobedient children should be stoned to death? Should we ignore that commandment?

Agnosticism concerns knowledge... not belief Atheist & theism concerns belief Agnosticism and gnostism concerns knowledge