Matthew Le God

Klarer?

Because the 'kind and loving' God is sending me to Hell for eternity?

You'll always find me in the kitchen at parties

Turkish 0 Jonnyboy 42

I said no such thing? Can you not read?

The story says God created her and he is all knowing. Therefore she didn't have a choice and he abuse his position of power to impregnate her. How did it change the world? The reason for Jesus being born in the story is utterly bizarre. God sacrificed himself to himself to act as a loophole to a law he made up. God could simply forgive mankind without the need for any of the nonsense if he is all powerful... yet he decided to have a human sacrifice because he loves blood sacrifice. It is utterly bizarre! p.s. you ignored me asking you if you believe it is true!? When did I say I expected the world to change? I merely said what I do on the day. I did not say Merry Christmas to anyone.

I think Turkish is daft enough to believe what he says although he is also trying to wind me up and Raging Bull has been brainwashed and indoctrinated.

1) Even if she wasn't 14, it is an abuse of power to impregnate her. In the story he is an all knowing God, so he knew from the beginning even if offered a choice if she'd say yes or not. So she didn't really have a choice! It is an abhorrent story. 2) Do you believe it happened? 3) Why can't people change the meaning of the day? Originally this time of year was the Roman festival of Saturnalia, Christians pinched the date and changed the festival to Christmas... why can't I change it as well to a day of seeing family, giving gifts and no religion? That is how the majority of the country treat it! Church attendance in the UK is tiny in 2019 at Christmas.

1) Do you not disprove of something abusing its position of power and impregnating a 14 year old? 2) How many more times do I need to tell you, if no religious element is involved... it is not celebrating Jesus or God. It is making good use of a national holiday to visit friends and family as they all have time off work at the same time It is bizarre you can't grasp the difference!

So do you think God is working to the morals of humans depending on what the time period is? He is the one that is supposed to be creating the moral code! We are talking about the actions of a 'kind and loving God'. Do you think a 'kind and loving' God would abuse his position of power to impregnate a 14 year old?

Do you think impregnating a 14 year old is ok then? Also it wasn't just impregnating, it was using his position of power over her. It is an abhorrent story and making excuses for such actions by a God is bizarre.

I already did... [TABLE] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: eeeeee](7:9-10) "And he [Jesus] said unto them ... Ye reject the commandment of God ... For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death."[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Do you think disobedient children should be killed? Because Jesus agrees with the commandment that they should! Now... will you answer my question in post #207? Do [TABLE] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: eeeeee](7:9-10) "And he [Jesus] said unto them ... Ye reject the commandment of God ... For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death."[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]

Your evidence is a random Wikipedia article?

Mary is thought to have been 14 years old when God decided to impregnate her. Does that make God a paedophile rapist?

I visit lots of people over a number days. Not only on the 25th This time of year is convenient to do that because people are off work for an extended period.

I didn't say he was a child killer. I said the passage states Jesus criticises Jews for not killing their children as the commandment states they should if they are disobedient. It is clearly you that doesn't understand the scripture! Why would a loving God have commandments that are punishable by death???

It does not make it religious. Religious would be acknowledging God and Jesus, neither of which happened!

I have not denied the reason we have the holiday in this country is due to the Christian heritage in the country. That does not mean my day was in any way religious. Eating food - not religious Giving presents - not releigious Spending time with family - not releigious The national holiday allows the family to all have the same day off, so that makes it convenient to travel and visit them. It does not mean the reason you are their is for a religious celebration to your day. I bet a lot of Jews and Muslims in England also used Christmas day and time off work and school to visit family, does that mean they celebrated Jesus like you think I did?

To celebrate something you need to acknowledge it, mention it. Non of which happened, so no celebration of Jesus occurred. We had food, spent time together as a family, watched films and gave each other presents. Why can't you grasp that is in no way connected to Jesus? I can't celebrate the life of someone I don't think evidence exists to proof he existed!

I've given evidence above.

I can very easily say he wasn't involved in my day and that of my family. Because I experienced my day. You weren't there!

Luke 2:7-8 Shepherds would not be watching their flocks by night in late December

Even if he existed... 25th December isn't when his birthday would be. It is merely Christianity using the date of another older festival. Just because both involve exchanging of gifts does not mean the exchanging of gifts is for the same reason. You are bizarrly jumping to conclusions based on exchanging of gifts. There are lots of reasons why gifts are exchanged, birthdays are one of many so your point is completely irrelevant and a red herring!

Even if he existed... 25th December isn't when his birthday would be. It is merely Christianity using the date of another older festival. As I've told you numerous times now and you choose to ignore time after time after time. Eating food and visiting family with no religious element is not celebrating Jesus. He was completely missing from the day. It is bizarre you can't grasp if Jesus isn't involved in the day then it is not a celebration of him! You will more than likely bring this nonsense up again later as if I hadn't given numerous rebuttals to you!

What? How is that relevant?