Matthew Le God

The commandments are meant to be the direct word of God. Therefore they are timeless. 1) If the morals of the commandments can change and evolve over time by humans, then why did we need God to tell us if we can just change them at a later date? 2) Do you think the Jews thought murder was okay before Moses and the commandments? 3) How do you think they survived as a society, before Moses if it was acceptable to murder and steal? 4) God is very condescending thinking we needed to be told. Those he did tell were a tiny % of the world's population, why didn't he use his powers to tell everyone at once? The message wouldn't reach Australia for example for over 2,000 years.

That may be the case but it is only picking and choosing which bits from the Bible we like and ignoring the bits we don't even though the commandments are meant to be the direct word of God. The Bible says those that commit adultery should be killed. Is that law in the UK? No. In any case...we couldn't survive as a species if as a society we accepted murder to be "okay". Thus for us to pass on genes we need a stable society for our children to grow up in and thus it makes sense to outlaw murder, theft etc etc.

But the teachings you think are good are the shortened versions. They leave out the punishments of death. You don't need religion to come up with good morals, it can be done independently and without the punishment of death thrown in. 1) Name one moral action a religious person can do that I as an atheist can't? 2) Name a wicked action than is attributable only a religious faith?

Modern man has existed for roughly 100,000 years. God watches man for roughly 98,000 years and then decides the best way to tell them how to behave is to tell Moses in a largely illiterate part of the bronze age Middle East of his commandments. Communication at the time was poor and the commandments didn't reach China for over 1,000 years, didn't reach the Americas until the 15th Century and didn't reach Australia until the 18th Century etc. God really is crap and inept at his job if he thought that was the best way to do it! It is more easily explained by accepting the Judeo-Christian scripture are completely man-made like all the other thousands of religions throughout history.

So God is inept and incompetent at his job as a creator and made a **** up. If he is all seeing and all powerful, how come he makes mistakes?

Not at all. - I am pointing out the bad bits when it is meant to be all good. - You are saying it is all good, when there are some bad bits. It is meant to be the word of God and a moral code to live by. Some of the morals are good (but contradicted in other parts of the Bible), other morals and punishments for not meeting these morals are evil as they involve killing those that break them. It is also riddled with hundreds (if not thousands of contradictions). Here are four to start with... 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 4. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28

You can use you Saints Player login and login to the away teams Player and watch their coverage of the game for no extra cost. The subscribtion you pay is for access to all content on all Player sites and not just the Saints one - which is over 70 teams I think.

The view from behind the goal is the worst in the stadium. Makes more sense to make the main stand and the one opposite large as that is where the best views are. The smaller number of away fans can then be put behind the goal and if in future the stadium needs to be expanded they can.

You are picking and choosing because you are using examples of the Bible you like to show it in a good light and ignoring other parts of it which directly contradict those parts. It is a man made document (though claims to be divine in part) and is used to explain the unknown world in the bronze age and was written at a time when man had a very poor understanding of his environment and surroundings. Many of these unknowns have since been explained in the thousands of years since the scripture was written.

I don't see why it should cost any extra, as I said Peterborough do it for home and away games and you can watch the full 90 minutes of Posh vs Saints using your Saints Player login. I just think Saints couldn't be bothered to go through the process of matching up the BBC commentary with the pictures and the uploading process with low viewing numbers. Surely it wouldn't take that much time would it?

The stopped doing them because they didn't get many views. I would like to see them return though. Peterborough for example still do the full 90 minutes for home and away games and they have fewer fans than Saints watching their player.

So do you think before Moses was given the commandments the Jews thought it was okay to kill each other etc etc? Give them some credit ffs! They wouldn't exist as a society for long if they behaved like that. The Bible however instructs them to kill, rape, pillage, commit genocide, infanticide, have slaves etc etc The bits about killing those that break the commandments are in the commandments, they are just left out by those that have their own issue with them and are picking and choosing like you do. However the commandments were meant to be the direct word of God and were written to be followed to the the letter, both 4,000 years ago and today in 2011.

Read post #65

Still think it is a good moral code Turkish, having read post #65?

Turkish, You really don't know the commandments as well as you think! They are an atrocious moral code! Quite evil in fact! It isn't just for murderers and burglars. The punishment the commandments issue for disobeying your parents is death! Exodus 21:17 “And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death”. Have an affair and you should be killed... Leviticus 20:10 “And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death”. Ever sworn using God name? Then you should be killed Leviticus 24:16 “And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death” Anyone that works on a Sunday should be killed... Exodus 31:15 “Whosoever shall work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death”. etc etc etc for the other commandments (there are more than 10 by the way)

The punishment for breaking many of the commandments is death. If everyone applied the commandments as they were intended then hundreds of millions of people would have to be killed each year! So no, I don't think it would be a better place! Far better to use a moral code that means we survive and prosper as a species.

You are picking and choosing. Because in other parts of the Bible it says God does allow murder and pillage. The Bible is full of hundreds of contradictions! Also the punishment for breaking most of the commandments is death. Should that be enforced today? So you are saying it was written 5,000 years ago is the reason it might sound dated. But as the laws of God it should be timeless and still apply today. If you are picking and choosing from the Bible, you didn't need the Bible in the first place and could make your own moral code to live by.

No they aren't. It has terrible ethics which aren't acceptable to modern Western society. The Bible condones all the things I listed such as rape, slavery, murder, genocide, sexism, homophobia, pillage etc etc on numerous occasions. If it contains "good and bad things" as you say and you pick and choose which ones you use and which you don't, then why did you need the Bible in the first place? You could just make the rules to live by yourself! I'm sure any God if he existed would be annoyed with you that you have been ignoring some of the Bible and picking and choosing the bits you like and the bits you don't.

Turkish, have you looked at post #17 yet, where I answered your question?

There were lots of official events and markings of the 125th year at the actual time of the anniversary in November 2010. It is now February 2011.

So St Mary's might end up like this...(with the single tier Itchen Stand on the right and Chapel, Kingsland and Northam all two tiered) Maybe on the Itchen Stand you could match the height of the other three stands by raising the roof and putting more boxes in on top, similar(ish) to Leyton Orient below but on a larger scale... Now that wold be one hell of a stadium!

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That is three 1st tier, big money transfers that were all linked with each other. Hardly conclusive proof.

I don't want them gone either. But it certainly wouldn't be a hollow promotion! Plymouth beat Saints on the opening day of the season using players they couldn't afford and should have sold in the Summer and not spent £500k on a new pitch. If they did go bust, we'd just be voiding the game where in a way cheated Saints out of 3 points.

Saints were under no obligation to sign Guly even with the transfer fee agreed in August. Adkins would have given it the green light in January. He could have said no if he didn't think he fitted in with his plans. Adkins would have known a lot more about Guly having worked with him since September than Pardew did in August when he first arrived.