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Kettling makes peaceful protesters violent. How do I know? I was there yesterday. Police were indiscriminately batoning people VERY hard. A lot of them just seemed to be confused, scared and just wanted to get out. I tried to speak to the riot police but they just move at you with batons. I don't get why they had to move forward several metres every few minutes? It just makes every more and more squashed together and agitated. There should ALWAYS be an exit... even if people can't get back in through that exit(though I'd object to that), but that should be the absolute minimum. Running horses and riot police hitting people into dead ends helps nothing. This is what I saw yesterday with my own eyes so please don't question it. I'm not angry at any of the police as a whole, but there is seriously something wrong with this tactic, it helps and solves nothing and there was definite intimidation on both sides because of the tactics used. On the issue of the fees, which is what is most important; not only are they extortionately high, most will NEVER finish paying off the debt. There is going to be a massive black hole in the university system, some subjects(arts and humanities to name a few...) are basically losing all their government funding.

I heard the name as well... from reliable enough sources. I think everyone knows who it is, but obviously we aren't allowed to say.

The riot police were out of order. They charged an area near a fence where people were escaping the kettle but most people were just standing, picking off some people climbing over but others who were just standing there and then batoning them. They then proceeded to bring in horses into an effective dead end. There was also an oldish man who asked to leave if he could because he had a heart condition. They asked what? He explained what it was fully and then they said no and started pushing and shoving him back into the area. This set many people off. A lot of bad policing today. However, I also saw examples of good policing.

The tax payer will be the first to moan when they have a heart attack and there aren't enough trained professionals to help them. If we wish to compete with the likes of China and India in the future we need to encourage as many people as possible to go to university and take degrees in areas such as science and computing. If we fail to do this, we will fall behind in the modern world. An educated public will benefit everyone and investment will be returned in the form of a highly skilled work force. The £9,000 a year price tag will put many off, not just from poorer families, but also from middle income families who cannot qualify for extra help and cannot afford to not worry about fees at all. Students will be coming out of university, with as pre-election Nick Clegg stated a 'dead weight' of debt which many will have little prospect of ever paying off. This isn't a fairer system.

No, I can argue it because it is a viable option. Cut wastage, trident is waste. How about some tax rises... tax avoidance... in an economy as large as ours on an issue as integral to the future of our entire society we SHOULD be able to find that £2.9bn.

Here is a letter to my Local MP that I wrote detailing my opposition to the plan at a basic level. 'Dear Ms. Miller, As I am sure you are aware from recent events, there is a lot of anger within the student body at plans to treble tuition fees. If these plans are to come into fruition, they will not affect me as I hope to go to university this year and not next so I write to you out of general concern for the future of our university system rather than any personal concern about how my finances could be affected. I wish you to consider one example of how these plans could drastically and derogatorily affect the country, Medicine. Medicine is a 6 year course which at the end of you have little choice of where you choose to go and work, the NHS. Under the new plans, including living costs you can expect as a medicine graduate to incur total debts of £90,000+ by the time you leave. All of this will have to be instantly started to be paid off as a doctor starts on about £22,500. As a member of a party that preaches about the burdens of debt, how can you ever tell us that this is in any way acceptable? All these plans seem to do in this example is dissuade people from taking on this career. I am now going to reveal something. I want to do medicine next year, and if I was unlucky enough as it seems people who are born one year later than me are set to be, I would have seriously consider whether I can afford to go. This is a direct response to the dead weight of debt that your government plans to inflict upon students nationwide. Who I worry most for in these plans are middle income families. The rich will always be able to pay and I understand that no plan can change that. The poor will get help in the form of generous bursaries but what help is there for middle income families? Not rich enough to absorb the debt, not poor enough to qualify for extra help... You are sentencing a large amount of people to a lifetime of substantial debt which they have no hope of ever paying off. I understand the situation we are in. I know how large the deficit is and I am not naive enough to say 'no cuts'. However, I hope that even you can not deny that cutting is a matter of priorities and you have got these priorities totally wrong. There are so many areas we can cut rather than the future education of our people. How about an out of date cold war nuclear deterrent? China has more gifted and talented students than we have students. We simply can not compete in the new world if we are putting bright young people off going through higher education. We as a country need as many people as possible with science degrees, computer degrees as well as other areas to equip us to compete in the 21st century. If we fail to do this we will slip further and further behind. You may say that this plan should not put people off university, but it is and I should know because many of them are my friends and we all share collective worry over this idea. I know that this email will almost certainly not change your mind in how you will vote on this issue. I write it because I feel I have to for I see only the destruction of a university system accessible to all before me. The new system is not fairer and I beg you to consider the future of your constituents when you do finally have the choice of two lobbies before you. Please make the right choice. Yours Sincerely, ' Also, I don't like the idea of universities charging different amounts creating a 'market'. People will just go to the cheaper courses over the quality courses.

For the present climate, I would keep tuition fees at £3000(for now), and not cut the overall budget. We could easily fill the £2.9bn black hole that will appear because of the budget cuts in this area by cutting trident instead.

Considering I was 11... no. Many people within the movement would also argue £3000 is acceptable. But as I was 11 when that was passed, I was not old enough to give any input. However, this time, I will have attended 2 protests, written 3 letters, and attended 1 conference asking 1 question as well as generally contributing to debate. I have done all I can possibly do.

I shall be in London tomorrow. I know the vote will almost certainly go through, but I shall be there none the less standing up for what I believe in.

It is true that Cortese has chucked out all the hangers on to Southampton... and thank **** too, as otherwise you get this massive band of people who just grow and grow in size and it just gets in the way of the business.

Would be good if he came back. He really is VERY good in this league.

See, all these right wing folk go on and on and on about how we need to have a nuclear deterrent and nuclear weaponry is necessary blah blah blah blah bull**** blah. It is huge double standards to then come out and say Iran should never be allowed them. I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons as much as the next person, I don't want anyone to have them. However, I just think we should look inwards at ourselves before lecturing everyone else. And I don't want to hear about the steps the US and Russia are taking to reduce their stocks... it's absolute bull**** cutting your stock slightly when you have thousands of warheads. Nuclear weapons scare me. The problem with them is in today's world is if one person drops just one warhead that is it, world over.

What I enjoy about this forum is that it gives me the opportunity to debate and talk about saints with other people just as passionate as me. None of my friends give two ****s about saints

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Hilary Clinton ordered secret spying on Ban Ki Moon as well as other representatives on Security Council. She wanted biometric information etc...

Yes, it should be a good read. I shall be downloaded it like I downloaded the War Logs and have a look through though with 3 million files I may have to rely on Guardian's judgement again for what is worth reading!

Robert Peston painted is very well just now. Ireland will be paying back this loan not us. It won't(if all goes to plan) cost us a penny in instalment payments and so on because they will pay it for us with interest going to the U.K as well. Basically, their credit rating is **** so we are borrowing the money for them. Don't see the issue with this one considering Ireland's close relationship with us.

What would have wanted? The banks not to lend any money? Because that would lead to pretty dire consequences as well. You can't have it both ways!

I don't like extortionate bonuses from the privatised banks as much as the next person, but if they make the profits... well, it's up to the company what they want to do with them. Bankers bonuses are entirely irrelevant to this issue.

The BBC is brilliant. It does so so much for such good value. I love the BBC and I would never ever want to see it privatised as quality and scope would decrease.

Our banks have €140bn(£100bn ish) worth of loans and assets tied up with the Irish system. If they go bust, we're ****ed. It's beyond the question of is it morally correct, it is essential for us to survive ourselves. Edit: Can I just add to people who seem to think we are totally bankrupt and bust, you are wrong... we still have plenty left in the pot to help us along the road. Our economy is huge and can take the hits it has taken as long as they don't become a consistant habit. We are not a Greece, an Ireland or an Iceland.

Charges all dropped.

Potentially. However, I do not think we should buy him. Get a loan in and buy someone better next year when we are in the championship(touch wood). Well, that's what I would do anyway.

Guly has a lot more potential than Barnard. He is a class above all our players.

I would like to see that extended then and the sooner the better as well. Otherwise we will need to get in another striker in the transfer window though that might not be a terrible idea, Guly or no Guly.