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Aaaah I see

He can’t have been watching very closely then because we did! It was 6-1. Tessem scored for us. Both sides rested players but their reserves were unsurprisingly a bit stronger than ours and we were 5 down after 26 minutes. Strachan took Fabrice Fernandes off in disgust after 27 minutes and subsequently dropped him for the Cup Final. Jermaine Pennant scored a first half hat-trick. I was behind Jones’s goal at Highbury for that one. As the goals flew in he was getting some stick from Saints fans behind him, and he turned round, looked them dead in the eye and said straight to them ‘They are quite good actually’, which made me smile at the time.

Yeah I'm the same. The 'first team' (if such a thing exists anymore) haven't exactly covered themselves in glory losing the last three on the bounce, so that alone makes it perfectly natural for that to open the door for some of them to be dropped, and for other players to be given the chance to step in and impress. Turn it into a positive - give some of the youngsters a start, and tell them that it's not because the others are being rested, but because this is their chance to work their socks off and play their way into the team for the play-offs, some of the highest-profile games you can get. Give them the chance to give the manager a selection headache for the semis.

Well that didn't last long 1-2 Ipswich

1-1 Keeper will be disappointed with that

What do we want tonight then - who fancies Leeds coming into the playoffs with us (i.e. almost certainly what would happen if Ipswich win tonight), and who'd prefer that there was still a chance that Ipswich end up in the playoffs? (i.e. would prefer them to lose tonight)

Isn't the point though that we shouldn't have to overcome a goals against tally like the one we have? That goals against tally shouldn't be how it is, making it such an uphill struggle all the time, that's the point. All successful teams are built on having a solid defence and not conceding many goals. You have to get that right so that it opens up the possibility of still winning games 1-0 on days when you're under the cosh or the chances aren't going in. Being hard to beat and being able to grind out results when you need to, is built on being hard to score against. Going into matches or second halves thinking that you need to score at least 2 or 3 because you're incapable of keeping goals out at the other end just isn't a credible approach for a team with any ambition, and will never deliver proper success, ever. Also, when the opposition know that that's the case, it gives them the incentive and motivation to keep going even when they go behind, as we've seen time and time again. They know that they just need to keep plugging away and it will probably pay off, rather than thinking 'oh well that's that then' when we score against them, and their heads going down, like they would against a team who they know can defend. And as others have mentioned, with the apparent pedigree of the core of defensive players we've got at our disposal, we simply shouldn't be leaking goals at the rate we do. More than half the other teams in the division, all the way down to Stoke in 18th, have conceded fewer than we have, generally with apparently inferior players (goalkeeper not withstanding). That is simply not a foundation on which you can deliver success.

Look at that pattern of play for our equaliser. 89th minute, facing two banks of four sitting deep. We play out from the back. Receive the ball, turn and play it forward. Receive the ball, turn, look up, play it forward. Receive the ball, lay it off, drive into the box. Get a lucky ricochet, turn and bang one from 16 yards out. Goal. It's not route one hoofball, it's still playing football, but it's front to back in 10 seconds and so much more direct and effective. I know it's been done to death, but we simply don't score that goal under this manager. When the ball came into midfield we'd stop, look up, play it wide, stop look up, play it back, ad nauseum until they re-set, we lose the ball or the final whistle goes. Football can be such a simple game. Driving at people can cause them to make errors like that little touch in the penalty area that brought it to Rasiak for that great finish. We never seem to just try those simple things anymore and it's so, so frustrating.

To this day the most bizarre own goal I think I've ever seen. Try doing that deliberately - it's simply not possible.

Over on the Leeds forum they are bemoaning: Making the same mistakes again and again Sitting back and lack of pressing Possession for possession sake Having statistically the 4th worst performing goalkeeper in terms of goals prevented vs what he should have Sound familiar?

Yeah, don't you just hate it when people dish out personal abuse and call people names

Where did I say he was rubbish? Clue: I didn't. Kind of undermines your argument.

You sure do. Rusty's CV: "If you want to translate 70%+ possession into a 5-0 defeat, I'm your man!" "Other skills include picking Jack Stephens, not being able to coach a defence, not bothering to study the opposition and not responding to changes in a game."

Just so I’m clear, what does being a hipster actually mean in this context, according to the Saintsweb intelligentsia? I like the suggestion upthread that wearing jeans and/ or a suit, and owning a laptop, is at the dangerous cutting edge of innovation and should therefore be scorned and discarded as new-fangled witchcraft. Absolutely amazing

Oh and who was the genius responsible for appointing him? Jason Wilcox. So good luck to Man Utd if they think he's the man to sort out the absolute shit show they've got over there 🤣

I'm incredibly frustrated with him because any manager should be doing so much better than he is, given the comparative resources that he has available. But the real fault isn't with him, it's with the people who appointed him. When they appointed him, he had a single-minded approach that he said he would never change, which had some very clear weaknesses and which had delivered a very specific track record. And now - surprise! - he's playing exactly the same way, making exactly the same mistakes and displaying exactly the same weaknesses that he had in all his previous jobs, and it's delivering the same results. Maybe they thought he would learn and develop, and he hasn't. But the fact is that what he's doing here is exactly what he's done everywhere else, so if they are surprised by that, then that's on them. It's like getting a dog and then being stunned when it barks and sniffs other dogs' arseholes.

The question is - with Wilcox gone, who holds the inquest with Martin this morning about what the fuck that was and how he's going to fix it? Literally, who is managing the manager?

I now genuinely hope we don't somehow scrape our way to promotion through the playoffs. We are nowhere near ready, and with Martin in charge it would just be humiliating carnage, week in and week out. That was a complete capitulation tonight, and against better opposition that's how you lose by seven, eight, nine or worse, as we know all too well. We got into that horrible but familiar place where the opposition looked like they were going to score every single time they came forward. The players completely gave up - there was no fight, no running, no shape, no pride. And this from a team and manager who are meant to be playing for something. With that mentality from the players and that level of tactical ineptitude from the manager that we saw tonight, fuck getting into the Premier League to be cannon fodder. Fuck that good and proper.

Fabulous possession stats though Fucking wanker

Wow. What an absolute disgrace.

What this needs is five attackers being thrown on

They're bringing the semi-automated offside technology into the Prem next year. Although being the Premier League, rather than bringing it in at the beginning of a season, they're going to bring it in at some unspecified point once the season has already started, because of course they are.

Oh I know. I was there. I think that's why I'm feeling their pain. Always felt us and Cov were quite similar clubs, too.

That's one of the cruellest defeats I think I've ever seen