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No sarky comments here pal, just asking questions and making points others are scared to deal with.

Please explain.

The grief junkies will be in their element tomorrow.

Leicester and Blackburn. Two other clubs who have won it in recent years who would made the champions league that season if they hadn't.

BUT LOOK AT WIGAN FFS

In years to come people will talk about this day, they will say I'll never forget the day Mandela died. The first thing I did was log onto twitter and see 28 other people and posted RIP so immediately I retweeted all of then before adding my own hurt to the snowball of grief. Then it was onto Facebook, where I immediately updated my status with a 'RIP - a great man' and changed my profile picture to the one of him shaking hands with Gerry Adams, proof that he wasn't racist. 13 likes and 12 comments later and unable to cope with my grief I flicked onto I'm a celebrity get me out of here to take my my mind off it all. I was so shocked that Rebbecca Adlington got voted off I simply had to update my Facebook status about it.

Could be up to five Saints players in that group!

Well the training program is being amended to include more rest time and less double sessions so perhaps it is taking it's toll.

Not quite sure how that justifies killing innocent people though. Yes there were difference, but the bottom line is they've both done the same thing.

and my point was that both Gerry Adams and Nelson Madella were guilty of killing innocent people and also helped the peace process in their countries. Yet Mandela is being hailed as an inspiration and hero. Gerry Adams wont be. So you admit that you totally made up that i had justified the killing of innocent people? Mandela himself made numerous apologies and spoke of his regret at his actions, he admitted he was flawed and that the media image of this dear, lovable old man wasnt always correct and that he himself had been vicious and flawed in the past. He admitted it, it's a shame other cant when its mentioned and ccuse those that do of being racist and aparthied supporters. Like i said at the start, a desperation to appear cool and display what a lovely person they are.

To be fair, if i was living in South Africa i'd feel diferently about it. Its the faux despair of people that are calling him a hero an inspiration who has inspired them to do absoutely FA that i cant be doing with.

you seem to be making things up now pal. Where have i even suggested that i agreed with aparthied or the political system in South Africa back then or that murdering innocent people was justifiable? Can you show me as this seems to be purely an invention of your imagination. Whereas your comment was this "That the UK is well-governed with institutionalised spaces for dissent, making violence -or extralegal methods- much harder to justify whereas South Africa under apartheid was the polar opposite." SO if you can provide me with the quote where i justifed the murder of innocents that would be greatly appreciated. Good luck.

what does that have to do with you justifying the murder of innocent people?

At least 6th but settling for 11th, surely?

What on earth are you banging on about now?

I believe in angels, when i know the time is right for me i'll cross the sea, i have a dream...........

And there was me thinking this was a thread about Nelson Madela, a man who has been lauded as a hero and inspiration but was also a man who was responsible for the death of white South Africans!! Well done on the excellent work of playing that card, i'm amazed it took you until page 2 to come up with that. Still you're on record as justifying murder of innocent people so i'd think twice about taking the moral high ground pal.

DOnt worry about that mate, Shurlock has said that's fine and totally justified because the government in South Africa was corrupt.

Have I described the apartheid regime as Heroes and inspirational figures then? Show me where I've justified their actions. You're the one justifying murder pal

Good start. So Life is cheaper in Africa than Britain and the murder of innocent Africans to make political points Is justified there but not in the UK because of the government systems in place in the respective countries. Excellent start well made.

Isn't it just. Say something they dont like or ask a difficult question they dont like the answer to or unable to answer and it's trolling.

He was on the US terror list until 2008.

we could have won the double

I presume the death of Gerry Adams will be treated with similar outpouring of grief. What a great guy hey, brought peace to Ireland. A hero, an inspiration.