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I don't like the bloke, but I think he's been very successful at some smaller clubs. Credit where it's due, that's all. How many other British managers have been as consistently successful with clubs of that size in the last 20 years?

Wouldn't you say Newcastles was down to having 3 managers in a year in Keegan, Kinear and Shearer? We know from experience how that pans out. As for Blackburn he left them when they were 13th. Ask Blackburn fans what they think of Steve Keen, who funnily enough was the man to take them to the next level and was talking about champions league football the season they went down.

Fat Sam didn't have one of the highest transfer budgets in Europe when he was at Bolton, so we aren't comparing like for like.

Oh right so we discredit his achievements there because using pure speculation 10 years on we think he might not have done as well. Do you hold this view on McMemenemy? How about busby? Shankley? Are we to write off what they did because the game has moved on since then?

Newcastle were midtable when they fired him, they were relegated the following season Blackburn were midtable when they fired him, they too were relegated the following season. He took west ham up at the first attempt and they finished midtable last season above us and were never in any danger of going down. What exactly were you expecting from them?

I wouldn't want him here either but you can't argue with his record. He's not an international manager or one for a big but because he's a bit of a knob and people don't like the way his teams play he's dismissed as a terrible manager. Do you really think he'd have had the success he had at Bolton by trying to get limited players and a limited budget play sparkling champagne football? Strachan is viewed as a hero by some here and achieved far less. We hardly played sparkling football under him, it was all about work rate, tempo and fitness.

6th, not 5th apologies. Top 8 for 4 consecutive seasons. More than we've ever done in the premier league.

Well on this thread alone Jamie and Kelvinsrightglove went into meltdown on the day Adkins was sacked, yet now describe it as "par the course" and "that's football" so yes, those two do have short memories. They won't be alone as 99% of the people who posted on the day he was fired were outraged and said it was a disgrace.

That was Dull days, Brett from Camden thinks differently,

Will you for for one. Read your own edit, "its par the course" "they know what they're getting themselves into" "pros and cons innit" I've also just read your reaction on the thread chalet linked 'f*ck football I'm done' Like I said, short memories.

Well its good to see that our fans are happy to see the club shaft their own employees and popular football staff. Short memories.

How far can that way of playing get you? If we finished 5th and got into Europe and a cup final like he did at Bolton what would be your view on the manager that got us there?

Why not? He was progressing his career, surely he did it the right way to get his move?

Okay, so you're happy to trample all over people in the name of progress. Presumably you were chuffed for Kenwyne jones when he got his big move to Sunderland after he went on strike. He was progressing his career wasn't he.

And your view on his treatment?

Answer the question, do you condone it or so you think it was acceptable for the club to treat a popular and successful employee like that?

Was taking Bolton to 5th in the table and into Europe average? What would your view of MP be if he were to do that for us?

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So just to clarify are you condoning the treatment or do you think it was the whole thing is totally acceptable?

It's nothing to do with the decision, that has proven to be right. It's the way it was done, with MP admitting he was approached while Adkins was still In situ, then the messing him about with compensation and letting him get on with his career elsewhere. What is your stance Jamie? Forget if it was the right decision or not, do you think the Adkins has been treated fairly or not?

Time has proven it was the right decision, but I wasn't one of those saying Adkins was the new Ferguson. the way it was done, the time it's taken to give compensation and the fact Adkins had to take saints to court to take the Reading job are shocking way to treat a decent guy who was successful here. I'm amazed some of our holier than thou posters defend the club in this.

This time last year people were describing Adkins as the new Ferguson, the next great England manager and the best manager we've very had. Now people seem to be justifying his treatment and dismissing it as something that had to be done, what short memories and lack of morals some of you have.

yes, yes! You've got that bang on!

See the 'fat Sam' thread as a classic debate on here. I've said he's a good manager and listed the salient points as to why I think that, there are half a dozen posts that just say he's a terrible manager and a ****. I would guarantee if I'd picked anyone up on that and asked them for their justification for why they think he's a crap manager and got into a discussion I'd be lambasted for trolling because it's not the popular view on here to rate him. You're right it is a two way thing, people need to back up their views and statements and not get stroppy if they're challenged.

But we didn't score and they missed a later sitter, so arguably they Should have won based on that.