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So do you get bonus points for good performances and having more shots at goal even if you dont win, then?

But your post about us winning the games where we have more shots at goal is wrong, you said so yourself. I'm not even sure why you're bringing The Sunderland game into it, we had more shots at goal and didnt win, it just emphasises how wrong you are.

Conveniently ignoring the rest of the post I see, well done. Dont like it because you've proven your own point to be wrong.

Not to some on here mate, that was our reason for the poor start.

But as we've been told many times Jamie, that was okay because we were adapting to the premier league then.

Depends what you mean by a good performance, we had lots of the ball because they defended deep, we passed it very slowly and created very little compared to the amount of possession we had. We struggled to score against a team a newly promoted side who are favourites to go down beat easily yesterday. Based on that then no, it wasn't our best performance.

Depends on if it suits what people's agenda is.

So glad we cleared that one up and your arguement on this point was wrong.

It would have made an excellent Jeremy Kyle wouldn't it.

All his games since he's been here will do just fine.

Call me a traditionalist If you like but isn't it the managers job to get the best out of the players available to him? Has he got the best out of Lambert, Ramirez, Lallana? He's been here 8 months now and had half a seasons of games. After a few positive early signs we seem to be going backwards.

How are our shots at goal v games won stacking up recently?

The problem is this talk has come from the top of the club down, some of this was talked about before we'd even kicked a ball last season. There is a certain arrogance about the club which is seeping into the fan base. We should be concentrating on consolidating our position and aiming to finish higher than last season and building rather than making brash claims about what we are going to do.

You sure mate? I make it won 5, D8, l6. 46 points over a season. Yep checked Wins against City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Reading and WBA Losses against Man U, Spurs, Newcastle, QPR, Norwich, WBA

Because the same things are happening. Not scoring, not being able to break teams down and not being able to beat teams that don't attack us. There has been a lot of talk from some that we are better than arsenal and Liverpool and Nick Gs top 6 aims before our summer activity, some need a touch of realism.

Look at it over a longer period though Jamie and there is a pattern forming. On several occasions we've been undone by teams who have defended deep and hit us on the counter, MP on every occasions has done nothing to change this, either unwilling or unable. We can't break teams down that defend and 5 goals and only 3 of them from open play in 9 goals is awful considering the teams we've played and the attacking players we have in the squad. Is he getting the best out of Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez? You'd have to say no.

Don't disagree then? His whole time here hasn't been anywhere near as impressive and some would make out. We had that little Purple patch where we won 3 in a row last season, since then we have gone backwards.

Come on chez, you know the rules, why look at ourselves when we can blame others.

The jury is still very much out for me. Despite all the brash talk about how he was going to move us to the next level and so much better than Adkins, the proof is in the pudding and his recent record of one win in nine and only five goals is poor when you also take into account the opposition faced. We have a number of good attacking options and he isn't getting the best out of them, we struggle to break teams down and his high pressure high energy game produces hard working teams but not creative one whcih is a travesty considering the players he has available.He's also been out thought tactically on several occasions and appears to be a bit of a one trick pony. When you consider in our last nine league games we've only played 2 sides that finished in the top half of the table one win and five goals is pretty shocking.you can blame referees all you like but Thetis simply papering over the cracks that our recent form is poor and he's not been getting the best out of the players he has available.

Because of contractual obligations we have to fullfil that certain players have to play a guaranteed amount of minutes when available.

T Yeah, just like at villa when Mark Halsey gave us a penalty when no one touched Rodriguez, or the penalty we got at home to Brighton when Fonte was brought down a yard outside the area. You're right we've had some shockers.

Tis can't be true, this would never happen. Neither would VM Mans other post. Its an outrage that this has even been suggested,

The lack if goals is worrying. Considering the supposed wealth if attacking talent we have in Lambert, Lallana, Ramirez, Osvaldo and Rodriguez it utterly shameful that we only seem to be to score from pens and dead balls.when you take into account our last 6 games of last season its only one win and 5 goals in 9 matches. When you take into account the standard of the opposition in those games its an awful record.

Hilariously if he were to do that the very same people that slag off the likes of Scott Sinclair and jack Rodwelll as being money grabbing w*nkers will be lauding Cork for showing loyalty to us. On that note funny how no one has had a pop at billy Sharp or Lee Barnard for not taking a pay cut to play first team football at a lower level.

And how even on the day it happened it was still dismissed as bulls*it from lying scumbag journos by the usual suspects.