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Yep. Strachans sides were very fit, well drilled and solid and in Beattie we had a striker who was suited to the way we played. He wasn't a pretty footballer but was effective and a handful for defenders. It's a shame Beattie and Pahars never really got to play together in their prime as that would have been a great partnership.

Well it seems like he is neither a great guy who loves the fans, the club and all things SFC, or a great businessman now doesn't it.

Shut up you helmet. As i have said, i know from personal experience that the club view this boards as i have got someone into trouble in the past by posting something they had told me. Of course the club probably dont give a sh*t what most of the helmets like you think about German and Easy jet ticket models, but they dont take to kindly to senstive information being broadcast to all of you mugs. Like I said, i know this is true, because it happened to someone i know. So wind your neck in.

To give him his due from what I've heard about a couple of deals he has been an absolutely gent. The point was more general after it was made out being difficult to deal with Is some amazing feat Cortese carries off with aplom.

I dont care i hes a nice bloke or not. Every CEO ive ever met has had a tough streak, they meed to have one as thy have toyghj decisions to make, that doesnt bother me. As I said, we keep being told he is a great businessman, but apart from getting a great deal for AOC if this is true, where is the evidence of this? Certainly not in the club figures, as weve run at a loss every year he's been been here. Certainly not in the customer service areas as the ticket office has never been so badly run. Certainly not in the corporate areas as the significant revenue we could gain from them is not happening. The corporate areas are virtually empty with expensive prices and a poor product. And certainly not in staff retention as the turnover of senior staff is very high. Certainly not in PR as we have poor relations with the media. the city guy 'left' a while ago after only being here a few months, cannot be blamed for the shambles that they are Now. So just where is the evidence of this great businessman?

Why should NC play the nice guy when buying a player? Christ if you don't get that we're in trouble. You want to buy something that someone doesn't want to sell then you can't play billy big balls. same when your trying to sell a product to potential suitors. Yes there is a time to be difficult to deal with, like he was with AOC. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to get te balance right does he.

/\ not just difficult to deal with. A product that is to put it bluntly is crap. From what I can gather the cheapeet corporate ticket simply gets you access te corporate bar where you have the honour of buying crap beer and buffet food at massively inflated prices. Tell me what is the compelling reason to do such a thing? I was out for dinner lat night with the owner of a successful company in this area who is a Saints fan. He said it was far better value to buy 6 season tickets and take clients for lunch in Oxford street before the game so that Is what he does. He customer facing side of the club is an absolute shambles, expensive an rubbish. We keep bein told Cortese is a great businessman, well he's either totally unaware or unwilling to do anything to maximise revenues from local businesses.

What innuendo? I'm inviting people to draw their own conclusions. Such as regarding the corporate sales and ticket office departments.

Hi barry

Pressed for detail? It's an Internet forum not an interrogation! When I've given stuff out in the past people demand sources and names otherwise it had no credibility. Now why would anyone name names when the club monitor these boards and cause trouble for their source? And I'm speaking from experience as in the past I did get someone at SFC in trouble for saying something I shouldn't on here and making it clear where it had come from. It was before Corteses time but still caused them problems. With Nick Nack in charge they'd have been fired. So no I'm not naming names and sources, if people don't believe it that's up to them, I don't care.

He has actually, Beattie is 34 now so 4 years older, But between 07-09 when he would have been 29-31 he scored 34 goals in 62 games for Sheff United at a lower level. So slightly behind lamberts championship and L1 record but all of those came in the championship and not playing for a team which won promotion.

As have I. And all bar 7 of Lamberts have been at a lower level than all of Beatties.

Behave yourself Roger. Beattie scored all his goals for us in the Premier league, Lambert has scored 4, all of his apart drom those have come at a lower level. When he's scored 15-20 a season for a couple of seasons in the Premier league then you might have a case. Lambert is still unproven at this level, Beattie was excellent for us at a time when we weren't scoring many goals. In his prime in Strachans side we were hard to beat and set up quite defensively, we didn't create load of chances yet he still scored over 20 goals in a couple of seasons.

A difficult man to do business with? Hang on a minute, we are told over and over again that NC is a great businessman. Unfortunately for NC in the leisure industry which he is now in, where you are trying to sell your product to match goers and also to local buinessness for sponsorship and corporate tickets i fail to see how being 'difficult to do business with'is a good thing like you appear to be making it out to be. In my own and I'm sure your experience wouldn't you rather give your business to a company that is easy to do business with? Where you pay a fair price for a good product? Being 'difficult to do business with' does not tie in with the 'great businessman' we are told constantly he is.

Why? Everytime in the past Ive shared anything I get snidey comments and told that I am making it up or people didn't realise NC consulted me on matters.

It's not an innuendo it's a fact. In two senior customer facing roles a number of people, some of which have very good experience, such as the guy that did the job at Man City, have come and gone. So either our HR department is getting it wrong And continually appointing people not good enough despite having good resumes or something else is making them leave. Meanwhile both the ticket office and corporate areas are a shambles. They are facts not innuendo.

Yep, he also got a 200k 'loyalty bonus' every year he was here as well.

Well the evidence in front of you is that we've had a number of ticket office managers and commercial mangers/sponsorship managers who have all left, most have lasted little more than 6 months and both areas are a shambles. luker, who was already there and most agree doing a good job, has also left, so clearly it wasn't because he wasn't up to it. So either our HR department are employing a succession of duffs or there is another reason why they are leaving.

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ahh yes, you're right. He went to the ticket office to ask why and they said then that he wouldn't be being sold one. No reason given. I dont think he has been able to have one since either.

I'm dont think they took his money and returned it. I think he went to the ticket office to buy one and they refused to sell him one. Under orders from Nick Nack, i understand, due to an article he wrote on the UI having a go at the club for removing the installment plan without notice that season they did. Fair point made IMO, but Nick Nack didn't like it.

I wonder if Nick Nack will 'illingsworth it'??

Who does this remind you off? Any other Saints staff or players that remind you of other things or people?

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