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You seem to know it all, care to enlighten us?

A home kit no one likes, an away kit we cant wear and a third kit no one can buy. Genius. Who is responsible for this shambles i wonder?

Everton have taken out loans with the same company based on future income. I'm sure it'll be different for us though and they probably didn't ask for any guarantees, what with Cortese being such a great businessman and all that.

Not really. Either we've taken out a loan to spend it based on future income or we've taken out a loan with we are paying an APR on for something to do because Nick Nack was bored and it's sitting in the bank doing nothing with our other billions.

And the bit about spending money which is due to come in years ahead. Which is exactly what we are doing now.

Yeah and last time we came out of the premier league we nearly went bust. Still who gives a sh*t?

And a Sunseeker, a house and numerous cars all of which came part of the job.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't question it though, especially given previous comments.

What do you think the loan was secured against?

I thought tht would be quite obvious Barry. We are doing exactly what our chairman said we shouldn't do only 2 1/2 years ago.

"clubs spend money they don't have, they spend next years money. They spend money that will not arrive for two years and say 'But we'll have some success and bring in more cash to cover the shortfall' it cannot be sustained, in good times you need to save money for bad time. If we reach the premier league I would like to be in a position where we didn't need parachute payments. In good years you should put money away for bad years" Nicola Cortese - March 2010.

I think they make a valid point given NCs comments in March 2010

How's our champions league push going Les?

Another of which when we played them, their own fans were mocking us with the chant 'how sh*t must you be, we're winning away' but no, its another one we should write off.

Yep, spot on and this is how I see it. I just can't see any proven premier league player coming here if things don't improve before January.

Pipe down you sad little coward with no spine!

You may be right, I think Rodriguez will become a very good signing in the future, but not s first choice player now and until Mayuka plays regularly the jury is out. At the moment Puncheon is prefered so wouldn't be one we could say has improved the first choice team, a player who couldnt get near the team for the last two season. although he has improved the squad as you say.

Yes they've improved the squad but how many have improved the first team? Clyne and Ramirez definitely have. I'm sure Boruc will prove to be in the weeks ahead, but he was was a end of window panic signing when it was clear we lacked depth in the goal keeper positions. Yoshida is better than Fonte and Hooliveld, which IMO wasn't too big an ask. So in reality £30m has got us three players who are definitely better than we had and one that was on a free thst probably will be. 4 players out of 11 that would have been our first choice XI is not great business and not what we needed to do.

good post. 100% agree.

: good post 100% agree.

The agenda that anyone who dares to suggest anything isn't anything other than amazing has.

good post 100% agree.

:thumbup:Good post. 100% agree.

Another great post from you. Keep going, your contribution to this forum has been outstanding this week.

" sad little cowards with no spine" please explain.