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Yeah, i have suggested it before. We had a little rendition of it in the Alex after the Wallsall game in our L1 promotion. "we are the saints" would be decent and easy. I fear it doesnt involve enough clapping though for it to go down well at SMS.

Well we made 5 last summer and this summer we are definitely short in the goal keeping and central defensive areas. I'm expecting at least 3 or 4 new signings in addition to Buttner as a minimum. One in goal, two centre backs and a right back or midfielder or both.

But players are remembers and talked about for how many grand slams they've won, yes? Hence why the commentators today for example, were going on about how many times Federer has won Wimbledon, the Aussie, French and US open etc, not the Bangkok indoor hard court trophy, despite this tournement meaning so much to both of them.

I think you're missing the point as usual.

Has he ever won a grand slam? Ie something that matters. It's quite easy BTF.

What are you banging on about now?

Is it a grand slam? Yes or No. You said yourself earlier that he's not won any grand slams. Why set it apart of the masters is just as important?

Is an actor making a film competing against the whole world?

Is it a grand slam?

Okay then, maybe i should be paid $5m a year because i won the sales person of the month 3 times in 2009. You'd do well to remember sales is my job, not a hobby.

Prehaps i should qualify as you're clearly having difficulty understanding, he's never won anything that matters. When players careers are measured it's on how many grand slams they've won, not how many times they've won the Bangkok Indoor Hard Court trophy.

Ridiculous comparison.

Dont disagree with that, but $5m a year is an obscene amount for someone who has never won anything.

Who competes the charity shield every year? Dont hear Alex Ferguson banging on about how great it is they've won it more than anyone else.

So the tennis equvilent of the charity shield and JPT trophy then.

Thanks for telling me the money doesn't come from thin air. How about investing large amounts of it in grass roots so we can develop more players? How about setting up more clubs and coaches for kids, see my point my point above about how much it costs to be a member of a decent club in this area. or maybe we should just keep on giving Andy Murray $5m a year for not winning anything and like BTF is doing, all celebreate how well he is doing because hes got such a healthy bank balance and just remember, he'd beat Fred Perry.

I'll tell you why no one plays it mate. I used to be a member of the Hampshire tennis and health club and membership including tennis was over £1k a year, more if you wanted lessons. Generally most of the members were middle class types. A mate of mine is a member of a club in Harrogate and all the fellas in the club are Solictors, lawyers, Doctors and so on. If you want to play in a decent club then it's simply not accessable to the average person. How can a family on an average income afford to pay that sort of money to have their kids coached in a decent club by decent coaches?

Did i say that Jimmy_d? i dont want to upset you as i know you get easiy offended and dish out infraction points if anyone disagrees with you, but seriousl, $5m in ONE year, in which he won F*ck all?!!!

Did i suggest that? $5m of "winnings" in one year without actually winning anything? Does that sound reasonable to you?? As for your comment about Fred Perry; this is why i laugh at people who say if Murray had played in another era he'd have won things. Yes, he is more athletic, stronger and fitter than Fred Perry was. But dont you think Fred Perry would have had the same benefits of fitness and skill coaches, technology, diets, etc if he was playing today as Murray does, so therefore he too would be fitter, stronger, more athletic etc In the same way that if Murray was playing in 1938 he'd only have had the same things available to him as Fred perry did back then?

And i see two main things. He's never beaten any of them when it really matters, ie in finals and semi finals of grand slams. England beat Spain in a friendly, it didn't bloody well count for anything last month when they were winning their third title in a row. And you have highlighted another major flaw in sport in general these days, ridiculous amounts of money on offer without actually having to win anything.

Depends on if he's the Dutch Alan Bennett or not.

She probably doesn't. Believe it or not, like 99.9% of the world, she probably doesn't read this forum.

Well done Federer, outstanding performance, true champion and a proper gent. Murray falls short again. Battling but not quite good enough.

I hate his sour faced mum.

* researches designs for 'ging gang gouweleeuw' t-shirts with players face imposed on camp fire *