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Who competes the charity shield every year? Dont hear Alex Ferguson banging on about how great it is they've won it more than anyone else.

So the tennis equvilent of the charity shield and JPT trophy then.

Thanks for telling me the money doesn't come from thin air. How about investing large amounts of it in grass roots so we can develop more players? How about setting up more clubs and coaches for kids, see my point my point above about how much it costs to be a member of a decent club in this area. or maybe we should just keep on giving Andy Murray $5m a year for not winning anything and like BTF is doing, all celebreate how well he is doing because hes got such a healthy bank balance and just remember, he'd beat Fred Perry.

I'll tell you why no one plays it mate. I used to be a member of the Hampshire tennis and health club and membership including tennis was over £1k a year, more if you wanted lessons. Generally most of the members were middle class types. A mate of mine is a member of a club in Harrogate and all the fellas in the club are Solictors, lawyers, Doctors and so on. If you want to play in a decent club then it's simply not accessable to the average person. How can a family on an average income afford to pay that sort of money to have their kids coached in a decent club by decent coaches?

Did i say that Jimmy_d? i dont want to upset you as i know you get easiy offended and dish out infraction points if anyone disagrees with you, but seriousl, $5m in ONE year, in which he won F*ck all?!!!

Did i suggest that? $5m of "winnings" in one year without actually winning anything? Does that sound reasonable to you?? As for your comment about Fred Perry; this is why i laugh at people who say if Murray had played in another era he'd have won things. Yes, he is more athletic, stronger and fitter than Fred Perry was. But dont you think Fred Perry would have had the same benefits of fitness and skill coaches, technology, diets, etc if he was playing today as Murray does, so therefore he too would be fitter, stronger, more athletic etc In the same way that if Murray was playing in 1938 he'd only have had the same things available to him as Fred perry did back then?

And i see two main things. He's never beaten any of them when it really matters, ie in finals and semi finals of grand slams. England beat Spain in a friendly, it didn't bloody well count for anything last month when they were winning their third title in a row. And you have highlighted another major flaw in sport in general these days, ridiculous amounts of money on offer without actually having to win anything.

Depends on if he's the Dutch Alan Bennett or not.

She probably doesn't. Believe it or not, like 99.9% of the world, she probably doesn't read this forum.

Well done Federer, outstanding performance, true champion and a proper gent. Murray falls short again. Battling but not quite good enough.

I hate his sour faced mum.

* researches designs for 'ging gang gouweleeuw' t-shirts with players face imposed on camp fire *

I agree he hasn't really. Got an easy draw after Nadal went out the games hes won are all game he should have won. He's put in a battling performance today but looks like being short again when it matters.

Brilliant from Federer, brilliant. That is an amazing player. Game over.

I love it how all the Murray fans bang on about if he'd played in a different era he's have won loads. Utter ******.

Good work lad. To the tune of anarchy in the uk I am a Southampton fan I am a sotonian I know what I want and I know how to get it I wanna destroy Fratton Park Coz I wanna be SFC

According to this he is on less than £15k and turned down £25k a week. Be surprised if we were going to offer much more than that. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9256647/Newcastle-United-right-back-Danny-Simpson-rejects-offer-Leon-Best-and-Danny-Guthrie-set-join-Aston-Villa.html

Tinged with a bit of sadness that he's not here to see it.

That they were moaning about it or that you checked how full they were?

Try explaining that to some on the UI!!

To be blunt, football isn't just about what happens on the pitch. In truth the advertising boards and corporate areas have never been so empty. To be blunt it seems no local business want to deal with us, in truth this is only Going to be damaging movig forward.

I'm amazed he and Alan Mcgregor haven't been snapped up yet.

Obsessed

It is. It isnt just about what goes on on the pitch Jamie FFS.

My terms have increased in the last 2 hours.