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another 20 pages here please of nonsense and mock ups of what our new away kit might look like. This should probably be a longer thread as you can all speculate on colours as well rather than just the red and white in some shape or form on the home kit. I'll kick us off, i hope it's not like this FFS.http://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/other-uk-clubs/championship/southampton/1996-97-southampton-third-shirt-xl.html

This thread is 20 pages of the most pointless posts in internet forum history.

Two of the best and most realistic posts i've ever read on this forum which is full of deluded clowns. Now can we shut up once and for all about getting 50k crowds FFS.

No.

/\ but you are forgetting we have a St Andrews or Britannia Stadium capacity amount of extra fans all desperate to queue for tickets to Blackburn at home on a tuesday night once we get back to the premier league who have all become Saints fans since our relegation in 2005 :lol:

LOL. £100 million + to expand SMS and buy players to to get us to a top half premier league club and prices are going to come down!!! Mental.

No Suzy, read above, i dont doubt we would get more than 32k at times in the PL, but some people ARE saying we would get 45k on average and 50k for big games. This would make us the 4th best supported club in England and not only that some people think that despite paying 100's of millions to become a top half of the table side and extend SMS to over 50k it's going to become cheaper to watch Saints.

interestingly enough Peterboroughs redevelopment will mean less away fans. From a 4k capacity to 2.5k in that, shame as it's a great away terrace and would have loved us to fill it. I

:lol: Not forgetting the tens of millions of pounds of investment in the team to get us to a top half club and the 10's of millions of pounds of investment to expand the stadium to 50k, yet we are all going to pay less for the priviledge. Brilliant!

So what do you think the cost of tickets will be? Do you think when we've paid for the expanded stadium, premier league football and the investment to get us to the top half we'll still "only" be paying £30 a ticket? So you partly agree with my post earlier that the only way to get 50k crowds is to give Manchester United, Arsenal etc 15k away tickets judging by bigger capacity =more away fans.

You mentioned the price not me. It's you that thinks we'll have 22,000 extra fans every week than at that game all paying that sort of price for a ticket. and you've still ignored why YOU think we'll get 50k crowds.

not far off the cost of one premier league game at a lot of ground........

Well on that basis why not go the whole hog and expand up to 100k? We'd fill it, according to your logic all it needs is flexible ticketing prices, bit of investment, good academy etc.

But why do YOU think we will get 50k?

So your basis for thinking we will have bigger crowds than Liverpool is that there will be a flood of new supporters plus plastics. So what would you call the 10k that went to premier league but dont bother anymore? So wee are going to find another 27,000 extra plastics/new fans every week to add to the 23k or so regulars. I cant wait, we'll have more new/plastic fans at SMS than Stoke, Birmingham and Fulham have total fans at their grounds! What a fanstastically supported club we are.

Villa and Liverpools average was 10% and 5% below their biggest crowds. I appreciate Chelsea and Spurs are restricted by capacity. it's not about them though it's about us. What makes people think we would get bigger crowds than Liverpool? Please can someone explain to me what basis there is for assuming we would get crowds of 45k every week and 50k for "big" games. I cannot think of a single piece of logic that would say that we would average crowds of 13k more than when we had our best season since 1990.

Yes we COULD get 50k, we could get 1/2 a million evey week if everybody in Southampton and the surrounding areas became season ticket holders and went every week. It could happen, but realism and not be a deluded **** says it wont.

Of course your logic is perfectly reasonable though that we sold out a 32k 6 years ago, then obviously we would average 13k more now and be the 4th best supported club in the country. As for Chelsea dont make me laugh, they are traditionally one of the biggest and most fashionable clubs in England. Chelseas record attendance ever is 82k, the support has always been there, i'd imagine in the 80's and 90s a combination of their reputation as one of the worst clubs for hooliganism, electric fences, crap football and Ken Bates kept them away.

Regardless of the reasons why it was still our most successful season in a lot of our fans lives. I dont doubt that on occasions we might have got more than 32k, maybe even edged high 30's for biggest games as a one off but anyone that thnks we are going to get bigger crowds than 18 times league champions and one of the worlds biggeest clubs in Liverpool is mental.

Here we go people, last seasons attendances in the PL. For those of you that think we are going to get 45k average crowd and 50k in some cases one look at this should give you deluded clowns a dose of reality. 50k would ive us the 4th highest crowd in England and a 45k average would make us have bigger crowds than Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa and Tottenham, all far bigger clubs than we are. Now please can you all shut the f*ck up about us getting crowds of 50k, anyone that thinks we are the 4th best supported club in England is f*cking mental. http://www.emfootball.co.uk/attend.html

Apart from reach our first FA Cup final in 27 years and have our highest finish in top flight football since 1990.

Why so small? Barcelona have been known get 50k watch training.

Or at home. Dale Jennings would be a prime candidate.

Except that we wont average 45k or get 50k for Man United and Chelsea etc, unless we give them 15k tickets.

We will need around 80,000 when we get back to the PL so i think we'll probably need about 45-50k now, i think work will start next summer once we sell out every game this season had have a 10 year waiting list for sesaon tickets.