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Have you just made that up Buctootim? I dont ever remember saying that at all. Not that it's any of your business or has got anything to do with the OP, but i live with a woman and am married. So stop mugging yourself off by making up stories.

Right, so saying to have find someone attractive and want to have sex with them is homphobic is it? Maybe i'm wrong I thought the basic concept of having sex with someone is finding them attractive, then as the realtionship grows you decide to have kids. Luckily for me i only have to sleep with women i find attractive, maybe you have to bang anything you can get hold of? It's not religion or repression. As i said above my sister and cousin are homosexual so not based on ignorance either. I know you might like to think it is because not everyone agrees with everything that is rammed down their throats and if you hav a more traditional view then you are accused of being a bigot, but its my opinion based on what is natural and good for the child. SOme of you will churn out your pathetic metaphors like "driving a car isn't natural". But is a simple fact of nature that two people of the same sex ****ging cant have a kid, so how can it be natural or right for them to raise one? If they were meant to raise them together then it they'd be able to produce them together.

Shush Griffo, you're not allowed to say that on here, you are meant to say that it's perfectly fine, up to him and good luck to him/her/it. it doesn't matter if it's totally unnatural and freaky, afterall, we drive cars dont we, FFS.

So i was right then, you are incapable of making your mind up for yourself. Dont worry, i am sure there will be a few more posts on here yet, you can decide then.

It's not wierd. Its a very simple question which you dont seem to have the capacity to answer. Is it morally correct for a woman to have an op to become a man, then have a child? Yes or no. (quick, have a look online and see what everyone else thinks)

Oh so i've gone from an ignorant homophob to a closet homosexual in one thread have i? brilliant. It's not a moral witch hunt, you just keep lapping up everything the media tell you and fail to make up your mind for yourself. You'll fit in fine on here.

Where have i mentioned Victorian? It's only you and the other dinlows on here that are probably flicking through this weeks Hello magazing that are talking about that. I said traditional.

so engrossed in it you are posting on here?

There is nothing wrong with holiding traditional moral values, repecting the traditional family unit for example. This country was a lot less f*cked up, with a lot fewer people with "mental problems" when people did.

So you don think it's a bit mental and totally immoral then? A woman thinking she is a man but then deciding "it" still wants children and getting pregenant. Totally normal.

I can see you aren't getting it. Despite repeating myself 100 times. I am not talking about men and women who are physically incable due to some sort of incapability, i am talking about men and men or women and women, who are naturally incapable. The traditional family unit is father, mother, child is it not?

so come on the you lot, i know its old news but how many of you lot think this is fine and acceptable and well done him? I am sure some of you will.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-546072/American-man-claims-months-pregnant-baby-girl.html

I'm not struggling with the metaphor at all, its just that it is a stupid one. How anyone can compare using a machine to move from one place to another to bringing a child into the world, raising a human being is beyond me. The simple and unarguable fact is this. Two men cannot produce a child together, for thousands of years the family unit has been a mother and a father raising a child. Just because the last 20 years or so it's become fashionable to be gay it doesn't make it right or correct for two of them to adopt and raise a child. Oh and before i get accused of homophobia again i'm just going to add now that my sister and cousin are gay, so pi*ses on the accusations of being ignorant. I've not mentioned it before because i wanted to see how many people trotted out that line because i dont believe in everything the media tells me, unlike some of you.

I didn't say homosexuality is unnatural or immoral, if you are going to critise my posts at least get them right. What i said was it is unnatural for two men to have and raise a child. If it was natural, then a man having sex with another man would result on one of them getting pregenant, correct?

This is a classic CV f*ck up. People that say they are able to work on their own or as part of a team are masters of contridiction. Never say this, it makes you look i knob. Never say you can communicate through all levels either, makes you look like you think some are beneath you. SOmething like "i am highly self motivated and able to work effectively with minimal supervison, this also enables me to contribute positively when in a team environment and when communicating with my peers or seniors" Although i've noticed you work in the public sector so the self motivated bit probably doesn't apply.

In some ways this makes it even more immoral.

F*ck me you are dull. You have a lot of time on your hands if you are able to hijack every thread with your nonsense. Oh and Turkey? brilliant! How long did it take you to think that up?

Comparing bring up a child to driving a car just about sums up the logic of some people.

i think you'll find that most people on here were disapointed with losing a two goal lead twice, i said that myself. In the cold light of day 4 points from two tricky away games is a decent return. In anycase given you thought we'd lose at 2-2, shouldn't you be delighted with a point?

Just asking thats all, you seem to forecast faliure at every opportunity. I'm also wondering when this slide down the table will begin, not on saturday it would seem?

will you change it if we aren't winning at half time?

Whats your prediction for saturday Alps?

See there you go again, accusations of homophoiba because i dont agree with the mainstream PC views. Can two men produce a baby togther? So therefore is it natural for two men to be parents to a child together in a relationship? It's not a question of being homophobic, it's a question of using common sense, some people it seems cant seperate the two.

The people that think it's okay are in essence going against 1000s of years of family values and morality, scientific research and basic common sense to appear to have "modern", mainstream views which have been drummed into them by the happy clappy media. If the majority of people are honest about it they know deep down its not right or natural. Yes you can quote examples of sh*t hetrosexual couples or go on about his money and this will give the kiddie a good chance in life, but no one can deny that a child is at its happiest and best when it is raised by its bioligical parents. This reason alone is proof that a female/male relationship is a far better environment to grow up than a same sex one.