Turkish

If you had to answer yes or no, to the question "do you celebrate christmas?" What would your answer be?

That's all folks. our 18 year old oracle has spoken. How were your christmas presents last chrismas Andy? Looking forward to the EASTER holidays from college??

But you are celebrating christmas, right? You might not be celebrating the birth of Jesus, but in your own way you're celebrating a christian fesitval, by chosing to have your "annual gift giving day" by conicidence or not on the same day which is a religious festival. if it wasn't for Christianity your "annual gift giving day" would very unlikely be 25th of December, but sometime esle in the year, if indeed happens at all, yes? What about the nativity plays? This is a very key point, you say that christmas has nothing to do with religion anymore, yet most schools do christmas plays do they not? So kids are brought up to believe that christmas is the birthday of Jesus Christ, who withouy him christmas day, christianinty, hell even your "annual gift giving day" wouldn't exist. You know this yourself, probably taught it at school, so regardless of if they lose sight of this in latter years and do what you do and celebrate christmas for other, selfish reasons.

Why have your "annual gift giving event" on christmas day then? Why not do it in January, in June, in August, In October. Why do it on the day recognised in the Western World as a religous festival?

But yet you still "celebrate" it. Even though it's a relgious festival and you yourself say you're non religious. Did you pull your children out of nativity plays when they were young? Afterall, you're not religious, it isnt a religious festival, yet these plays clearly are.

Regardless, It is a Christian festival though, is it not. Cant see too many Jews or Muslims putting up the christmas tree though, What about Easter? How do you explain to your kids that as a none christian they wont be getting any Easter eggs again this year, whilst their friends are greedily tucking into theirs?

Either. And Easter. I'm sure none of you who dont self identify as Christians buy your kids christmas presents or easter eggs, have been to see them in Christmas plays. I'm suere you are actively campaigning for Christmas day, boxing day, good friday and Easter monday to be actively removed from the bank holiday calaender. As this would be hypocritical wouldn't it? I mean, youre not Muslims so i'm sure you dont celebrate Ramadam.

I take it you don't celebrate Christmas then.

Thank god we never got a FOTB then.

Have you ever met him?

Each year? How many years have your mum and dad let you stay up that late to see?

For once we agree. This video, it's still inspirational. Isn't it great when this country is together showing its patriotism.

Hey, i'm just trying to fit in around here. He's a great signing though mate, dont you agree?

Abide with me and Jerusalem

This. +1 etc

I shall be wearing my new one proudly on saturday.

Seen a few that look like they've been mugging Afghans and Polish builders as well.

I agree with you there mate, one of the strangest decisions of the season. We were comfortable at 1-0, they hardly threatened and Fox was playing well. Really dont understand what the reasoning behind that substitution was.

It's actually 10 according to Wiki, i thought it was 10 + the three from Saturday, not sure if that includes them or not, either way it's still bloody impressive. Harding has one this season from just under half the games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Southampton_F.C._season And it's great that we have player that can put a decent set piece in. Yes some haven't been great but name me a player that gets it right everytime, guess what if he did he wouldn't cost £2m and be playing on the championship.

De Ridder aint exactly great. The point is that he's proven to be a lot more effective than De Ridder but one is a hero and the other is regularly slated. The only reason i can think of is that one runs around a lot and achieves f*ck all and the other doesn't. Anyway, dont want to turn this into another Guly thread. This is about what a great signing Fox has been.

I wondered how long it would take. Harding benefits from a lot of Saints fans prerequieste beliefs that a player that runs around a lot automatically makes him great. Look at the hero worship De Ridder gets despite his contribution this season being one goal against Reading and the odd 10 minutes here and there. Compare that to Guly and the slating he gets despite being 1,000 times more effective.

24 assists between them this season. Shocking.

3 assists on saturday which now puts him on 13 and above Frazer Richardson who the echo were hailing on friday as some sort of creative genius. It's great that we have two superb attacking full backs like this. Compare his stats to Hardings, who has managed just one assis. IN fact Fox has more assists in his 25 games for us than Harding has in his entire time at Saints according to ESPN stats. What with him being much better defensively than Harding as well, what a great signing he is turning out to be, a real key man for us. A superb signing. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/5479/dan-harding?cc=5739

I wouldn't know whether to PMSL or LMFAO it'd be that funny!!!

That would be amazing!!! Do it!!!