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So it'll be a trophy child which they'll lavish in grifts, be "spotted" by the media out playing games for a few photos in the paper and showing it off but the full time nanny will do the cooking, cleaning changing nappies etc.

It's true though, in some quarters this is considered a racist term. People complained about the Lion King FFS because they said the "bad" lion had a black mane and this was racist. It's mental. As for your comment about EJ, you seem to think It's all about the money. If this is the case then why dont every parents work 14 hours a day, stick the kid in a nursery and buy it all it's hearts desires and let it grow up a spoilt little brat? Little kids need their parents time and it is a fact that kids need a mother and father figure.

But they are again products of a society that allows this. The last 20 years has turned a lot of people in this once great country into a bunch of lilly livered, pathetic wierdos who are comsumers, by-products of a lifestyle obsession and brow beaten by the media into what they should believe. ANyone that disagrees with the mianstream is accused of being a bigot. For the thickos in this country they are better off financially not working, how can this be? If we were a bit tougher on these lazy arses and made them undergo strict medicals if they claimed sick benifit and do community service whilst they look for work and take away benifits if they dont then they'd soon buck their ideas up.

I dont.

It's true though. We live in a PC society where if anyone speaks out against what they are told to believe by the media they are branded a bigot. Some changes in society over the past 20 years or so have been positive, much less racism then there was in the 80's for example, but when you have to ask for "coffee without milk" instead of a "black coffee" then it's going too far. My own personal view point is that same sex, homosexual parenting is wrong, especially when one of the parents will be drawing their pension in 2 years. I have this opinon for the reasons stated above, many of them are facts, but i'll probably be branded a bigot with caveman views for it.

I did. I dont think it's fair on the kids. I dont have any but would be ashamed of myself if i could take my kids for a walk in the woods or play football with them because i didn't have the energy. My dad was in his 50's when i was a teenager and i dont mind admitting i was jealous of some of my mates with dads in their thirties and early 40's.

That might be the politically correct view, but science disagrees. I am sure some of you will just dismiss this as bigotry though. http://www.narth.com/docs/needboth.html

Oh come on BTF, dont think about this with your politically correct head on. It is a fact that women are naturally more maternal than men, of course there are some great dads about, the bloke opposite me for example who's wife died last year leaving him with two young kids. But the courts recognise that kids are generally better cared for their mums, when deciding custody issues its rare for them to side with the man is it not?

Also add to this that Elton John in his 63 surely this is just plain selfish. if he is lucky he'll live to see the kid enter its 20's. I get the feeling this child is going to be more treated as a celebrity trophy, that our lovable gay Elton can have his cake and eat it. Not being funny and i know this isn't the politically correct view and will no doubt be shouted down on here as a bigot but a 63 year old gay man should forget any ideas of having a child.

And why are they employing a female nanny? Why are the vast majority of nannies women? Because a woman has natural insticts with children that men simply dont have.

I wonder if the kid will say the same when he wonders in 10 years time why all his mates have got mums and he hasn't?

a kiddie. What are peoples view on this and generally on homosexual couples adopting children then?

apart from the winner tuesday night you mean?

How utterly ridiculous, you seriously think not winning one game in February means we can write off automatic promotion? We wont win every game for the rest of the season, but guess what? Those around us wont either. Bournemouth and Huddersfield play each other in two weeks time, they cant both win. 6 points from the next 3 games would give us 10 over the last 5, 2 a game, decent return in my book. What is important is we dont lose to the teams around us and IMO i think we need to win around 13 of our last 19 games. We can probably afford 3 defeats and those around us will lose as well.

Yes, really worried, He signed on the 20th of January, he has played 3 GAMES since then, one at home v Man United where he was pretty good and two away, dont know about Tranmere not great on saturday. WE should get shot of him asap and Forte, he did nothing in the the 10 minutes he was on the pitch on saturday, get rid now, we dont need these slackers.

Lets try it another way, what games do you think we'll win?

and your point being? BTW when is this slide down the table starting?

He was at fault, misjudged the ball, okay not easy in a swirling wind but he should have got his body between CMS and the ball, i'm not quite sure what he was doing but just running alongside CMS until he just exelerated past him. Jamie Carragher just gave a classic example of how to defend against a quicker striker doing exactly this. I know he is no Jamie Carragher, but it's basic defending.

You also said we'd lose away at Exeter when we were either losing or drawing (i'm not sure which, i was at the game watching us win), you also said after beating Huddersfield we'd "p*ss it away" against Exeter and Dagenham. keep trying, you might get one right one day.

After giving away a two goal lead twice in this game i'd imagine our defences confidence will be shot to bits. We wont score 4 every game and with the lack of confidence in the back 5 I can only see heavy defeats at home to Carlise and away to Hartlepool and Rochdale and a slide down the table which might lead to a battle against relegation, unless Lallana is back and we'll win all the games 10-0.

Lallana is also a magician who makes poor players good and average players brilliant, his mere presence on the pitch makes them quicker, stronger, better on the ball, better defenders and strikers and he can magically change the direction of the ball and divert shots and headers that would usually go over or wide into the back of the net. (some people think)

I blame Lallana, if he'd have been playing Seaborne would have had that extra yard of pace to beat Mackall-Smith to the ball for their first and him and Harding would have had that extra spring in their jump to head clear for their first equalizer. KD Would have saved both pens as well. We'd also have created more chances so would probably have won 7-0.

Yep, we have 4 massive games coming up, if we are serious about automatic promotion, we need not to lose any and win at least two, there is no reason why we shouldn't. Brighton will be difficult but on our day we can beat them and everyone else in this league, lets hope they drop off a little by then and start to suffer promotion jitters which so many sides do towards the end of the season. All our home games are massively winnable, we probably need to win 13 or 14 of our remaining 19. Which we can and should do.

Agree with everything you say Ade, Seaborne got mugged off for the first, him and Harding should have dealt with the cross and what the f*ck was he doing for their pen? It was as clear as you can get. Their 4th was harsh, we couldn't really tell from our end and having now seen the reply it although it hit him on the arm he was only 5 foot away and had his back to the ball, his arms weren't even outstreached or above his head. Very harsh but our second pen was soft as well. I dont know what Martin has done wrong but he looked good when he came in earlier this season. For me playing AOC in the middle doesn't work, and as you say quite why he didn't bring N'Gessen on and switch to 4-4-2 or even 4-5-1 at 4-2 up is beyond me, close the game out and hit them on the break as they were chasing it with AOC and N'Gessens pace on the break. Overall a draw was a fair result and i'd have happily taken 4 points from these two away games but to give away a two goal lead twice in the same game is disapointing.

Yep and it's giving me depression.