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Bullying doesn't just happen in the school playground i am afraid.

It comes down to wanting to have your cake and eating it. When you become (or are born gay, but thats another arguement) you forego the opportunity of having bioligical children. That is the choice you have made. And regardless of what anyone says on here with their equal rights agendas, it is well know that kids are at the best when they have both (same sex) parents and are in a stable family relationship.

Dont be ridiculous. If i had a child, brought them up as a Saints fan would i then send them to Mayfield School in Portmouth? Of course i wouldn't, because they would undoubtedly be bullied and i'd deliberately be putting them at risk. Like it or not, children of same sex couples are at a high risk of bullying, same sex parents that adopt know full well that this is the case. I honestly think in a lot of these cases its more of a statement about themselves. I dont understand how you could not find women attractive yet still want children. Surely the basic concept of sex is procreation is it not?

i agree, her decison though. Staying together for the sake of the child. Up to them though.

Who are male and female.

she has made it stable, to the detriment of her own happiness, putting her kid first.

You have no control over your biological childrens appearance or future health. You do have control on if you chose to adopt and it is very likely that a child of a same sex relationship will be a victim of bullying. I am sure they are aware of this.

it doesn't but was following on from my point about a child needing a mother and father.

No i dont and hats off to you for making your situation work.

WOuld you do something that would deliberately put your child in a position where they would almost certainly be subject of ridicule and bullying?

Okay, i'll ignore my personal experience of a good friend of mine keeping their relationship together because she wants their 5 year son to grow up as part of a family with his dad around and didn't divorce him for only this reason, even though he deserved it.

makes a change you usually manage it comfortably, in your self appointed forum jester role.

People stay together for their kids, i know plenty that do, some good friends of mine have been in this position. They stay together because they want their kids to grow up in a stable enviornment.

Dont be a moron, that is totally different.

It is a fact. Why do people stay in unhappy relationships for the sake of their kids? It because people know that it is better for them to grow up with both parents around.

no difference. A kid needs a mother and father, not two of one.

Umm, yes it is. It is scientifically proven that children raised by their bioligical parents are happier, better at school and better behaved. Dont worry though, you keep arguing with years of scientific evidence and traditional moral values and trot out your nonsense.

And there it is, the homophobic comment. Utter nonsense. I do not agree with same sex parenting because it is a fact that children needs a mother and a father and a stable home enviornment to grow up as a balanced person. Obviously there will always be cases of bad parenting with hetrosexual couples, but how anyone can argue that it is correct for a baby to be raised by a 63 year old gay man is beyond me. And apart from anything else the bullying and ridcule at school a child of a gay couple will be subject too should be enough to put most gay couples adopting should be enough to put them off, if they care about the child that is and are not trying to make a statement about themselves.

If it really was absolutely the only option other than a home then it would be the preferable option. Without wishing to sound patronising, I feel really sorry for kiddies that grow up in care or whatever and if this is the only other option then being brought up by a family is preferable. It is unlikely though, there are 100's of male/female couples that want to adopt.

i'm sure the full time nanny will adore it, the £50k+ a year salary she'll probably get wont hurt either.

I am morally against it, for the reasons i have stated above. The reason i have formed this view is because of facts, not on what the media tell me or my silly little college friends. Science proves that kids are better off with a mother and father, the courts, 90% of the time in a custody case come down on the side of the mother because they realise the importance of the mothers role in a childs upbringing. It is a fact that women are more maternal than men. The only thing that suggests same sex couple parenting is equal is political correctness. Also the fact that he is 63 means it is wrong as well, he'll be lucky to see his kid reach 20, and this is nothing to do with him being gay, i thought the same about Micheal Douglas. Come on super mikey, back up your expert opinion with facts and not what you've been told to think.

Well if thats the case there would be no need for a live in nanny will there. They can do what most other people do that have a nanny or a nursery and drop them off in the morning and pick them up after work. I'm sure we'll get the standard Hello and Okay posing pictures and then a few in the paper with the mainstream media salivating how wonderful it is that our lovely Elton is playing daddy. I bet in 5 years time both of them still wont know how to change a nappy.

Only because it's not polictically correct to use that as a reason.

Surely he should have thought about this before adopting then? Shouldn't kids be their priority, not something to fit around their careers?