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does that answer your question?

this thread is like 70% of peoples facebook statuses

no i couldn't, but then again is that down to social conditioning? If from the day you are born, your parents are gay, you are surrounded by gays and hardly any hetrosexuals and it is pumped into you by the media, parents, friends, schools etc that being attracted to the same sex is normal and the opposite sex is taboo, then you are massively likely to become gay. We will never know because this will never happen. Going back the point about paeodphiles, i really dont know if they are born like it or not, IMO i dont think they are, i think it is down to factors that during their younger lives as you dont become sexually aware until you are, what 12, 13? But even small children know that peaodophilla is wrong, illegal and vile wereas being gay is not. Maybe you cant help having these desires, i really dont know, but what i do know is that people that act on those sort of desires know they are wrong and are vile, and as i said earlier, exactly the same as raping a woman then claiming you couldn't help it, you are born attracted to women and wanting to sh*g them Everyone apart from those with serious mental or physical disabilites are in control of their own actions and know right from wrong.

only when it suits then yeah.

spot on mate, apart from 2 points for a win.

Maybe you could explain this amoungst all the other wild accusations you make. You seem very happy to accuse and make claims about this yet not so happy to back them up, using the "oh it'd be a waste of time" line. It would only take a few minutes, about the same time as another one of your posts about how people you dont agree with aren't banned but should be, and you call me bigoted.

Absolutely, makes perfect sense. So in fact everyone that fought the Nazis in the war was actually a wannabe Nazi? Sucide bombing muslims actually really want to be white, English or American Christians and love them? Even bringing it down to our level of this forum, everyone that codemened the saints boys banged up for the trouble against Pompey, calling them scum, ban them from for life etc was actually jealous and wants to be football hooligan themselves. Makes total sense.

For gods sake dont let Ludwig or Chrisobee read this, they'll accuse you of being illinformed and bigoted. You should be banned for life for having those views.

He started it.

no no, i insist, you've made all these wild claims without any substance to back them up so its only right that you fill in the gaps for me. I want to know your basis for me being moderators pet.

but that is impossible to entertain, without hetrosexuality there would be no reproduction, so humans would die out. It's a totally alien concept as for the majority the natural human urge is to reproduce. Despite my previous tounge in cheek comments re gays, i dont have a problem with what they do behind closed doors, but i cant possibly imagine what it would be like if this was the norm.

I think you need to take a look at some of Ludwigs comments today if you want to counter someone. Concearning is an understatement. Can you explain to me why some posters IYO, are tolerated. You seem to think i am, however i have no links to any of the mods, i have met Steve Grant on two or three ocasions over about 7 years of us both being on the same forums but if anything that would give him reason to ban me

If you care to read the other fourm I have already stated my comments of homosexuals were tounge in cheek. Sadly for you, you were to late so cant give yourself a huge cyber pat of the back for pointing out the wronguns to the mods, they'd already infracted me, it seems there are no need for snides and grasses on this forum afterall.

Do you know what, after that patronising little comment, i am going to end this discusion here and now as i've no interest in petty insults in a discussion like this. Have you never looked at a picture of a woman/man depending on your preference and thought "yeah she's hot" "yeah i would"? If you cant see the difference between this and an adult looking a child and thinking this, then i despair.

Well, as it happens i wouldn't do either. One is absolutely sick and the other is just plain sad, i dont think i need to clarify which one is which. However i am truely amazed, that anyone can fail to see the difference between being sexually aroused by a picture of an attractive adult woman and a picture of a child. So what is your view on these people found with child pornography on their computers? Should they be jailed? What about people with adult pornography on their computers? Shoud they be treated the same?

If you cant see the difference between an adult male looking and enjoy pictures of an adult female and being sexually attracted to that and an adult male looking at pictures of a young child and becoming sexually attracked to it then you are serious disturbed. Even more so by the fact that you feel you cant comment on if paeodophilla is wrong or not.

Oh you petty litte grass, that conversation you stuck your oar into was nothing to do with you. I'm sure you'll be delighted to know i got an infraction for that, so have been "dealt with", so much for your pathetic claims that i am "protected" I wonder if Chris Obee and Ludwig have been dealt with for their trolling? Look at you grassing people up, pathetic.

Right, so you're saying being a paedophile isn't wrong? And you think i am disgusting...... BTW my comments about gays were tounge in cheek, although i stand by my comments about paedophiles and rapists.

It's slightly different with Adebeyor though, being an ex player and the way he left, however i agree though, if they cant take it dont dish it out, i fully believe that. I think most african or any player for that matter would react to a song such as "adebeyor, adeebeyyooroorooor Your dad washes elephants your mums's a whore."

right, so everyone that is strongly opposed and condeming of rapist and peodphiles is a closet rapist or peodphile? Madness.

That is an interesting question and difficult to answer. Both are vile and the worst sort of crimes, both are forcing sex on someone who is unconsenting and if someone has these urges but surpresses them then in a way they are morally similar. However at any age you know that peadophillia is disgusting and wrong, so any person who has these desires should IMO automatically surpress them, simply because they know it is wrong. Whereas it is natural to be attracted to women. To abuse a child you have to go looking for it so it must be premeditated, whereas with a woman it could just happen, meet in a pub, get on back to theirs etc. Obviously both are vile but peodophillia is worse.

I agree with this. Arsenal are a model club. A club with a bit of class about them that play attractive football, great youth policy with a real focus on developing young players and dont sacrifice this policy to chase trophies. Dont spend stupid amounts of money on transfer fees and wages but still mixing it with top clubs at home and in Europe.

I remember the banter because unlike a lot on here i was at a lot of the games. I am not talking about people not be 'ard and abusive, what i am saying is if a player gets a bit of abuse from sections of the crowd, dont go running to the old bill if he gives a bit back. If i called someone "a c*nt" i wouldn't go and report him if he called me one back. Which is exactly what happened in the case of Ian Wright.

he says himself, as quoted above, they wanted to report him, thats why, not the banter, because our fans couldn't take the banter, they could dish it out but couldn' take it back. Hardly surprising given this forum is a cross section of our support.

they didn’t clap you after the game, they wanted to report you That line probably sums up why. I do remember him getting a bit of stick from the fans and giving it back, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the soppy divs in our fan base went running to the police if he said anything back. Personally i always liked him, passionate and talented footballer and a bit of a character.