moonraker

Like Brexit little more than a vanity project that is yet to be realised. Also its his money he can do with it as he likes, politicians on the other hand are spending/ gambling with our money.

I did not say Boris contradicted May I said he is liar and I take anything he says with a pinch of salt. I am not irked by May and actullay think she was a good choice for the task in hand. You make a good point wrt the looming German and French elections, however I think finnacial collapse in the Eurozone is unlikely in any time frame to suit Brexit.

Like everything else post Brexit there is no certainity about when we will start the formal process. You have taken Boris the Liar at his word, there are many things that May will want sorted before she triggers Article 50 and there aint much sign of any real progress yet. Perhaps it is all being done very covertly with no leaks and everything is tickity boo, at least that would be first for a Tory Government.

From where have you conjured this, that the highly improbable EU Army will be a conscripted force, but why not start another brexit myth. None of the major military nations in the EU have conscription so why would they re-introduce such a thing.

It simple, they made a donation, nothing more, they aquired no rights from their donations and no title. No one will invest anything like they are dreaming of and therfore they have no chance because any thing less than an 8 figure sum will have no long term benfefit. Still its nice thay can dream. There would be more chance of getting a few million if they invested the trusts loose change in the Lotto.

Good point Wes, however this is the heart of the problem, Brexit means many different things to the many different people who voted for it. The remain vote was for one thing only staying in the EU, there were no promises other than remaining. Once the fine details are sorted out and we know exactly what Brexit means a fair proportion of Brexiters will feel disenfranchised, then what?

Please clarify one thing for me, the referendum question was about leaving the EU not freedom of movement. A number of Brexiters have attempted to argue that the referendum was not decided on immigration, therfore why are so many Brexiters arguing that the ending of freedom of movement is essential in leaving the EU.

Further evidence if any evidence were needed that you like so many Brexiters don’t like the modern world, although I do have a Twitter account it is dormant I just haven’t got engaged with it, but to dismiss it as vacuous is in itself vacuous. In other news major US Banks and Financial institutions reiterate that Brexit will have a damaging impact on London as financial centre as they judge the EU will not allow the current pass-porting to continue, the continued wishful thinking of a large proportion of Brexiters that the EU will give the UK everything it wants s just that, wishful thinking.

Now come on this is unfair, difficult questions are not allowed, you could at least of provided multi choice answers, let me help; a)'we don't know b) that's scaremongering c) it will be all right d) suck it up losers. No other answers are acceptable as they have't got a f**cking clue

Without to much effort you could find examples for every politician failing to do what they said they would.

That's not one but two flying over the cuckoos nest. I like the way Duckhunter keeps getting, the remainers in government excuse in, it is not remainers in our, in control government, that are the problem but politicians around the world who have no particular interest or need for us outside of the EU. This whole shambles has been brought about by out of date 1950's Tory attitudes. An honourable and decent PM got it spectacularly wrong and has paid a very high personal price, sadly the rest of us will also pay a high price.

The Brexiters on here like Wes and Duckhunter continue the 'it will be alright on the night' argument despite all the very real signals that Brexit means an almighty f**kup. Not a single Brexit promise will be kept, except possibly the one about leaving the EU. Despite all the statements from post Brexit Brexiteers, the people who we will be negotiating with in the EU and around the world that are clear that we will not get the deals Brexit promised, that the £350 m will go to the NHS, that Irish citizens will not retain their free movement etc. Etc. they continue to claim that we are in position of strength and all will be well. Sorry you are wrong, I do not need any great intellect or education to know this just common sense and a dose of reality, two things Brexiters seem very short of based on their continued denial of what is actually happening.

Simple question are you willing to scarifice unfettered access to the biggest developed market in the world on the basis of perceived yes perceived accession to the EU of countries mentioned? And why mention Turkey, as has been firmly established they ain't joining at any time in the next 30 years, neither have you addressed the issue of non EU immigration, and how do square the claim that according to many in your camp Brexit was not about immigration.

You are correct in principle but completely wrong in practice. As has been fully recognised over half immigration has nothing to do with the EU and therefore we already had control. Leaving the E U may allow us some ability to restrict EU citizens entering the country but at what cost, having control does not in itself lead to a better outcome, especially with the likes of Fox leading the way.

Don't be stupid! How will Brexit change immigration? And whilst people may have concerns the vast majority are ill conceived and fuelled by the right wing press and right wing politicians. It is not ignorance I suffer from unlike those who seek to use immigration for their own ends.

Easy to point out the negatives but for a shameful display from the officials we would all be very encouraged by that performance. There is certainly work to do but we have the core of more than decent top half team, oh except Redmond who has far from impressed so far.

I was being polite. It's obvious that that a significant number are stupid, it has just been P C to pretend otherwise. Indeed Nigel Fartarse and his acolytes have built their political careers on the stupidty of a section of the electorate. What is really sad is he and others on the extreme right and left of politics have created in our tolerant and proud nation a division that will not heal for a generation or more.

I love you, every post is condescending, you must be a very famous person who has achieved world acclaimed status! So who are you, one of the Khardashians?

[quote=Johnny Bognor;2396841t This is about a struggle between the power of the people and the power of the state. What a complete load of cr*p, this has been the biggest lie of Brexit, but it has seemingly convinced a large portion of the British public, sadly I am coming to the conclusion that a significant number of them really are stupid. Yes I am insulting you and all who believe the in Dreamland of Brexit, yes I am angry, and yes I will continue to argue for what I sincerely believe is in the best interest of the U.K. staying in the EU.

You make a very good and for me important point. I asked the same question and came to a different decision, which of us has made the right prediction only time will tell. I decided that remaining in and fignting for an EU that was only focused on the benefits it could bring to the citizens of its member countries was prefereable to being outside but signifcantly impacted with no say or influence.

I was referring to the leaders of the campaign who it seemed to me had only one objective, furtherance of their careers or the continued ideological struggle the evil forces of the EU. I agree very few if any the normal voters cast their ballot out of self interest. Of course we will continue to co-operate and trade internationally where have I ever said we would not. However it is my belief that being a part of the EU makes that much easier, less costly over time and more aligned to the world of today. It is interesting that prior to the vote the Leave campaign was focussed on the mythical £350 m that would suddenly be available to the UK Government and Immigration, now the majority of the focus is trade. Currently all we get from leavers on trade is don’t worry it will be alright, there is no coherent strategy, little agreement between the various factions, and no understanding of how to negotiate international trade agreements, so by all means accuse me of being a tad concerned that it might not be aright, because i am.

For me it is that simple, embrace international co-opertaion and collaboration and it is a rejection of the regressive, multi layered, disjointed muddle, created by the self interested Brexit campaign.

Very simple, to remain part of collaborative family of nations with far more that unites them than separates them.

It really is hard to take the rantings of an un-reconstituted bigot seriously. Your use of the term "women" is plainly sexist, your inaccuracy about her tenure of immigration policy is ignorance and your dismissal of remain supporters as ****wits is arrogant and frankly bad-mannered. But then anyone who can use a picture of the supreme bigot Farage without any irony is unlikely to be capable of anything else. Thankfully remainers and leavers with a better grip on reality, civility and the facts will be negotiating our exit from the EU and not Farage and his ilk.

Sometimes it means Brunch, which as you will know is a blend of breakfast and lunch, so perhaps our PM realy wants brexmain.