moonraker

I did not expect to get a ticket having only been to 4 home games this season, but now have one thanks to a very determined son (6 games) who stuck with the very busy website. Whilst the membership requirement may seem unfair and mean a few tickets go unsold I am assuming the club do not want to be inundated with plastic south coast Mancs ending up in Saints Fans seats if they put them on open general sale, imagine the whinging on here if some of us found ourselves sat next to one of these. I do not however understand how they cannot allow non members with purchase history for home and away games to buy tickets.

In other news, approval of life saving drugs to be very likley to delayed after Brexit, Farmers not getting paid on time and do not know what they will get post Brexit .......

Having read much of the white paper it is little more than the unconvincing Brexit optimism we have been asailed with for years. I hope that MPs do their job and scrutinise every word, it is very poor document.

I always wondered what Cloud Cuckoo Land was like, Brexit and the election of Trump have satisfied my curiosity and it is not a good land. Only cuckoo's are welcome, which thankfully means eventually they will die out, they are not capable of actually existing on their own they need other species to do the hard work for them but don’t want any contact with or responsibility for them. They are very aggressive when challenged about their lifestyle but when real courage is needed they disappear faster than a Bojo promise. The cuckoo is easily identified, by its plaintiff cry of ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and its colourful plumage that is very similar to the emperors new clothes, based as it is on conceited illusions. Thankfully despite fewer sightings of many more sociable, hospitable and hard working species their numbers are actually very strong and will in time knock the selfish cuckoo from its perch.

Swap a 27 year old for a final season 34 year old, great business that. Keep Jay simples.

Change the thread title to WERE GOING TO WEMBLY I am so proud, brilliant from every player, Stephens was immense

No country in the EU standing on it own can stand up to the Russians, in 1939 - 40 Finland held and beat the Russians, it is not GDP or numbers of troops but quality and determination. Whatever the Finnish PM said it does not alter the fact that the 4 countries I named are Militarily Neutral and it of military maters we have been debating, none of these countries has foreign military presence in their countries EU led or otherwise. It is exactly this type of misunderstanding of how the things really are that leads to so much suspicion and misunderstanding, led by bullsh**tter in chief Nigel Farage.

This old cherry, the EU is not planning its own army, yes a few senior politicians and bureaucrats in the EU have stated an aspiration for an EU wide Army, and have even written papers and proposal for such. It’s a good headline for eurosceptic’s but in reality it’s a pipe dream. You also need to understand that the term EU Army has a number connotations; Eurosceptics choose to interpret it as all EU military forces under a single chain of command, to some it is an extension to the current EU Rapid Reaction Force, to others it is more joint operations in support of EU policy and goals. Of the current 28 members of the EU 22 are members of NATO, they do not need to go running to NATO for assistance its fundamental to the alliance that they would receive it, see Nato's five - collective security clause. There is no mandate in the EU to supplant NATO which the EU unanimously acknowledges as the primary Alliance for defence against state on state aggression. In fact you have identified the problem to creating an EU Army in your ill thought out statement, in that Ireland, Sweden, Austria, and Finland are still neutral, and they would have a veto over any move to an EU Wide army as peddled by Eurosceptics. Equally the other EU countries are equally proud other national armed forces and will not pass control of them to the EU Your ‘couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag’ is based on what? Have you spent anytime operating with multiple forces from across the EU? Are you a military analyst? I do have wide experience of working with international military forces and I can assure you there are many highly capable militaries in the EU, try invading those neutral countries Sweden and Finland. The average Eurosceptic view of EU militaries has little basis in fact, and like many such views is far more a condemnation of those who hold the view than of hose whom they seek to denigrate.

To those that think stopping immigration will solve the Islamic terrorist problem you are either naïve, simple or easily taken in by right wing semi fascist propaganda. As has been repeatedly pointed out the majority of terrorist atrocities in the west are undertaken by Western European citizens. The tired default of blaming left wing apologists and soft lily livered liberals for not addressing terrorism is pathetic. No religion, ideology or political movement has the exclusive rights to terrorism. For 30 years the UK suffered from Christian terrorism (over 3,500 deaths), the terrorist Anders Brevik and Jo Cox’s murderer were neo-Nazi white supremacists, indeed Islamic fundamentalism is not the main driver of terrorism in Western countries: 80% of attacks in the last 10 years were by political extremists, nationalists, racial and other religious supremacists. Today the odious Nigel Farage has laid into Jo Cox’s husband for supporting ‘Hope not Hate’ with Farage claiming it as an extremist organisation, he really has lost the plot. It is people like Farage and his political bedfellows who do far more to create the intolerance, tension, suspicion and fear that more than anything creates the conditions that divides us and drives a miniscule minority to execute abhorrent acts in the name of extremism in all its forms.

If he is telling you stuff about national security he isbreaking the law, are you OK with that?

Its the New Forest Derby, apprently!

What don't you understand about neutrality? My father, an air gunner, thinks the EU is exactly what he fought for, a joined up peaceful Europe.

Based on the UN analysis, the happiest countries in the world are either: In the EU, 4 out of the top 10, members of EFTA and EEA with free movement of people in Europe, or ex British colonies, 3 out of the top ten, no longer subject to British Law. Impossible to draw any concrete conclusions from what is a subjective assessment but it seems either being in the EU or at least accepting it four basic principles, or divorcing yourself from Britain engenders greater happiness. Also interesting is that all of the EU accession countries have increasing levels of happiness, of EU countries only miserable France, the UK and Italy have falling levels.

Jay is looking sharper than hitherto the most encouraging aspect of our play so far today.

History interesting thought! British empire built on slavery, military power and complete disregard of ancient cultures. Switzerland not known for its imperial non democratic subjugation of others or indeed its involvement in war crimes. Are you one of those skates who think our owners got their wealth through NAZI connections? Or just a slightly xenophobic Brexiter?

Any news on the riots in Switzerland following their Governments undemocratic decision not to act on the will of people, but instead to act in the best long term interest of the country. Bloody politicians next they will be telling us lies, just to get us to vote for them. Still I am sure these arch eniemies of democracy will be wiped out at the next Swiss general election.

Simply shocking

As opposed to the 2nd rate distorted, lying journalism one finds in the Daily Mail, The Express, The Sun etc. You have as usual totally failed to address the very genuine points made in the article, instead you continue be dismissive of the challenge and bask in the glory of a nothing vote in parliament. The thought of Corbyn as our PM terrifies me but to dismiss a labour victory if May and her Brexiteers cock up is not only arrogant but contrary to recent outcomes in the referendum and the US where the seemingly impossible happened. I am not as convinced as you that UKIP can pick up the tactical votes of sufficient centre, left of centre and left wing voters to have any impact. First they need to get their party back on an even course and then hope there are enough easily swayed tactical voters to support them. Still if we get a left wing Corbyn government at least you right wing Europhile Tories will be able to move abroad, oh wait a minute!

The Guardian article (left wing nonsense to hard nosed Brexiteers) clearly demonstrates that voting to leave the EU is not as simple as Brexit means Brexit. I have yet to read or hear from any Brexiteer how they are going to achieve an exit from the EU and all its associated commitments and obligations in a time frame that the majority of the electorate will a. be satisfied with and b. support come what may. Once the penny drops and majority of the electorate realise just how damaging this Tory Party folly is they can say goodbye to electoral success at the next election, even with Corbyn in charge Labour. All that has been achieved is to create even greater division in the country and in the minds of those who advocate it give undeserved legitimacy to abhorrent far right politics.

Arse may have fielded a second stream but that was hardly our first 11, we were superb and deserved that, and nothing should detract from a great performance that shows our strength in depth ain't to shabby. Don't care who we get in the semi Puel wants this and on tonight's performance the players want it as well. Would love to knock Scousehampton out in the semi.

Great to get back to winning ways. More goals would be welcome especially when we are creating good chances. I thought the whole team played well, our shape and discipline were excellent, yes VVD, Sims, Rom, Cedric were the pick of the bunch but all contributed positively. As for RK completely ungracious. Everton fans need to realise he had a better bunch of senior players than the veterans squad he now has, and he won't use youth so mid table is the best you will get from him.

Not arguing about the accuracy of the percentage of companies by simple numbers, just that they are meaningless in the overall context of the importance of exports. As for penetrating my skull, the space between your ears where most of us keeps a brain seems to suck in lots of random stuff, mix it up and then regurgitate it as more random stuff. Your stock answer is wait and see, if that is not optimistic and naive I don’t know what is. Even when you acknowledge that things might be difficult you justify it by saying it will be all worth it to get back yours and Brexiteers fantasy concept of sovereignty. The first time after the disaster of the referendum that Sovereign UK Law is used the Brexiteers go into their standard operating procedure of insults, vitriol and denial. Brexit will be disaster, all the signs are their your ideological myopia is incapable of acknowledging it.

The argument about the absolute number/percentage of companies that export to EU is fallacious. What is fundamental is the value in terms of overall exports of those companies. The wealth and success of major exporters is vital to the wealth and success of many non-exporters, especially in the retail, catering and hospitality sectors. These sectors may not in themselves export but they do not exist in a bubble. Despite Wes’s seemingly to continually avoid the fact that that the value of UK exports to the EU is a major and essential part of our economy it is highly likely that many non-exporting business in these sectors will suffer a significant knock on effect from more difficult trading conditions for exporters. The idea that as yet un-negotiated, overly optimistic bilateral trade deals or some special deal with the EU will solve all our self imposed ills is mindboggling naive.

Wait a minute I thought expert analyst forecast were poppycock, for every one of theseopinion pieces supporting Bexit there are ten by equally worthy individuals damming Brexit. the reference article is an opinion of what might happen and as you keep pointing out we need to wait and see, since this was published the direction of travel hasn't been in favour of this gentlemans forecast.

As usual you open with a pathetic dismissive remark, and then spout the same unfounded repetitive speculative claims. The most arrogant and unfounded claims on here are from leavers who continue to make light of the difficulty and the time it will take to agree trade deals, you never acknowledge the cost, the lack of sufficient experienced negotiators, instead you infer that the world is queuing up to deal with us.