moonraker

Dreadful budget, listening to it Seems Hammond has found the Money Tree, borrowing up, deficit reduction extended, plus lots of smoke and mirrors. Just watched Truss interviewed no clue at all, hasn’t got a handle on the brief, failed to answer most of the questions. While I have little time for Corbyn the passion and emotion in his response was impressive.

Just about to set off with youngest boy and victim supporting stepson and step grandson, meeting No 1 son in Crewe, great family day out, wil all be topped of by a 2-1 win for Saints!

Interesting debate taking place following the under 17's world cup win and the need for managerial stability if young talent is to be given a chance. Mangers who are constantly looking over their shoulder tend to stick with proven if uninspiring squad players. I still believe sacking Puel was mistake, the short termism of the modern game does not do us any favours and todays fans seem incapable of seeing beyond the next game. Whilst the agents of our rise from the ashes of League 1 are all gone the vison and strategy is still valid and must remain, stability is key.

Turnberry with Ailsa Craig, beutiful place when its not raining. As to you question yes.

Sorrry in the belief that it is not superior to others!

A very xenophobic view of a few innovations / inventions. Inventing in and of itself is useless in terms of our economy unless you can translate it to a marketable, the WWW has done no more for the UK than any other economy, hovercraft have hardly revolutionised travel, and manufacturers have come and gone like buses. There are blatant errors and half truths in your list, sewage systems pre dated Bazalgette, by at least 2000 years, check out those pesky southern European Romans, Thomas Savery. , patented the first practical steam engine in 1698, although the Greek Hero of Alexandria designed the world's first aeolipile around 50 AD to demonstrate the power of steam, bloody Mediterranean folk again. Chocolate is hardly an invention, pesky American natives had already discovered the stuff even before that great fraud Columbus arrived in the West Indies. The Frys, great socialist people, did design a new process for the foodstuff. Nicéphore Niépce is accredited as the inventor of photography circa 1826, Fox Talbot developed a more practical solution but cannot be credited as the inventor. While Aspdin developed Portland cement, the history of cement stretches back to the Greeks more Mediterranean interference. Whilst the Tin Can was perfected by Duarand it relied on the work of Frenchman Philippe de Girard, European co-operation at work. There are also some telling examples of our failure to spot a good thing, the Modern Torpedo was rejected initially Britain and again it took those pesky Europeans in Austria to commission the first ones for military use. The less said about telephones, incandescent light bulbs and vacuum cleaners the better. As with most of your arguments it is littered with inaccuracies, delusions, flaws and a failure to understand the bigger picture that it is through the sharing of knowledge, collaboration and co-operation that the greatest achievements of mankind have been made, not by isolationism and control. I also love my country but I do not do so in the belief that it is superior to others.

Good to see you have the answers again. BAE workers moving across, you do realise why that is about the most naive statement I have seen on this thread and that is some achievement.

The only reason we had a referendum was to silence the moaning c*nts in the Tory party and UKIP, now those self-same the moaning c*nts think they have won something and no else is allowed to moan, irony or just plain old hypocrisy?

I am sure it has not been missed by our super informed Brexit Zealots but the nation’s defence is currently the subject of yet another cost cutting review. The headlines have been stolen by the possibility that the UK will lose its LitM Amphibious capability, echoes of John Knotts ill thought plans of 1981. What has this to do with Brexit the Zealots cry, it is lack of money in these austere times they chant, not Brexit. Well think again while the government has put some new funding into the defence one of the most serious early consequences of Brexit has been the depreciation of Sterling against the US dollar. Among other planned purchases, this has made the new F-35 strike fighter, central to both the aircraft carrier program and the modernisation of the Royal Air Force, very much more expensive at a time when acquisition of the new fighter is just getting into stride. So Brexit is having a direct negative impact on our nation’s ability to defend itself, I’m sure you patriotic zealots will agree with me this is very bad. Conversely the weak pound offers little solace to the BAE workers about to lose their jobs due to lack of export orders.

You do make it easy don’t you, the link you provided does not state what you want it to state. Did you manage to get past the headline, here are just two quotes that tend to challenge your certainty “However, City chiefs have warned that London’s supremacy will come under threat if the government does not secure the right kind of Brexit deal.” “However, Frankfurt, Paris, Dublin and Amsterdam – cities vying to win financial services from London as firms consider shifting resources into the EU ahead of Brexit – all added to their scores and rose up the table.” Manufacturing is not going to generate the jobs, it is becoming ever more automated a number of studies have concluded that the number of unemployed persons worldwide is projected to rise, this is not down to the economic crisis alone, but notably the industrial automation of processes previously performed by workers. Deutsche Bank not a lot different to RBS, Lloyds Group from what I can see. I’m not a banking expert so I may be missing something but I seem to remember banks in many countries have had problems recently. As the city generates up to a third of the tax take the treasury will care. But then I am sure as a true brexit zealot you will be happy to pay more to make up the shortfall. Unemployment rates in the countries you mentioned are high for the young, in most it is good to note the trend is downwards. In other news EU countries Germany, Austria, Denmark and Holland have lower youth unemployment than the UK, all countries with economies, culture and infrastructure nearer to the UKs than the ones you have cited. Keep trying my little zealot…

Ah the true Zealot speaketh.

It sure as hell is not over.

The EU is not seeking to punish the UK it is looking after its citizens, the same cannot be said for our excuse of a Government. On another note I think it time to ditch the kipper term, their political hero has run away, their party is finished, and their dream is turning into a nightmare. Neither is jihadis an appropriate term, while our resident leave advocates are fanatical, their beliefs they are not religiously based. As time goes by more and more people are realising the folly of leaving, it is only the true leave zealot that either refuses to acknowledge the reality and / or claim that the pain and damage it will cause is worth it. The stubbornness in defending the failures, behaviour and actions of the of the current dysfunctional, leaderless government marks them out as incapable of acknowledging any flaw in their vison. The right wing, nationalist and isolationist policy is the most detrimental to our nation any post war UK government has ever pursued. These zealots know the argument is being lost, they know that more and more of our citizens are realising that the benefits championed by the leave campaign are undeliverable, yet still they pigheadedly recite the leave mantras, post questionable evidence and grasp at straws to defend the indefensible. They claim democracy is on their side while in the same breath decrying any mention of a referendum on the final deal, a vote that I would hope would be informed by reality and understanding, and devoid of lies and personal ambition. In the words of the Zealot in Chief "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.” It sure as hell is.

Be fair, he is a striker from Liverpool, I'm sure that's what was meant.

Add me to the list

Yes they do but when in Governement they could at least portray unity. The current bunch are the worst I can remeber, my point is not party political it is the view of a non card carrying ordainary voter.

Grasping at straws again. Brexiteers should be more concerned about the car carsh that is the Tory Governemnt and its totally lack of unity and focus at the most important time in our history since 1945.

VVD is not yet fit, simples. Sadlly entitled scousers and some faithless SFC fans will read this as fact he is leaving for the murky end of muckyside.

There is a magic money tree after all, using taxpayers money to give the Torys a majority is a disgrace.

I agree, I know several people who voted Labour as an anti tory vote not a Corbyn vote. It could equally be said of the Referendum where there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that many people voted leave as a protest believing it would not happen, the big difference is the GE result can be changed, but quitters are adamant we cannot have a second referendum even if there is a much better understanding of what leaving means. I predict hung parliaments until Labour and the Torys show some real leadership and courage, from where I stand not likely to happen any tine soon they are both to interest in power for powers sake.

I thought our sovereigns lovely EU outfit at the state opening was great.

The problem for parents today is your dammed if you do and your dammed if you don’t. As a child of the late 50’s growing up in what today would be termed a rural ideal I and my peers roamed free. We came home when we were hungry or it was getting dark and were expected to do our own risk assessments as to whether climbing a tree, swimming in a river etc. was safe or sensible. Yes there were accidents and incidents, thankfully in my experience none serious. We learnt to take responsibility, we learnt self sufficiency and we respected adults. Sadly today parents are continually judged and scrutinised, every day activities of yesteryear are now managed, and policed by adults with CRB checks. Despite all the extra oversight and control children remain vulnerable. I do not have the answer, but as a parent to 6 children aged from 33 to 16 I have experienced the ever increasing scrutiny and restrictions on children’s freedoms. There is so much today that is better than in my childhood, we are generally more tolerant, poverty whilst still shamefully with us is not in most cases as desperate as it was, housing for the vast majority is vastly better (no out side toilets and tin baths), despite what the media and politicians would have us believe education is more inclusive and broader and increasingly privilege does not protect the vile behaviour of some of the rich, the famous and the powerful. For me one of the most mendacious and cringe worthy phrases often heard from parents is ‘I want my kids to have what I didn’t have’, what kids need is the freedom to be themselves, they don’t need mountains of consumable stuff, what parents must do is make sure they are equipped for the big wide world that awaits them as adults.

Still no Batman, very unusual for him to miss an opportunity to post random links to articles on terrorism.

Right Wing terrorism is a significant problem. Taking the UK in isolation the threat to UK citizens in the UK is obviously currently far lower than from Islamist terrorism. Whilst the figures do support your contention they should not be used to downgrade the threat from right wing terrorists. Currently in the UK, the extreme right is fractured, leaderless, confused and dispirited, it will only take a couple of effective leaders to take a grip of the hatred and extremism that undeniably exists and we could easily see a significant increase in Right Wing terrorism. The security services are well aware of this and 1 in 3 on terrorist watch are Right Wing extremists. While most right wing action is fairly facile and low level we must guard against any possibility of it becoming more organised and more dangerous. Incidents like this can not be dismissed as the actions of a lone wolf, they are the result of right wing campaigning and hate propaganda. The media and all of us rightly condemn and pursue through the legal system so called ‘Islamic Hate Preachers’, the same must apply to ‘Nationalist Hate Preachers’.

Mays refusal to meet with people unless it was stage managed during the GE Campaign and now not meeting joe public following the dreadful disaster is all the confirmation I need to confirm what I already knew, she is not fit to hold the office of PM or any important public office. This not a party political statement it is a statement on her, and her alone, for the country’s and everyone’s sake just go Mrs May you are a failure.