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Any quitters defending the rich quitter!!

Obviously dickhead Dyson has seen th writing on the wall and has chosen to move his HQ from the U.K. to Singapore. Hypocrisy of the highest order, and leavers will still argue the rosy garden is just around the corner.

Do you remember when we were told: a trade deal with the EU would be the easiest in history, that the NHS would get £350m a week, that Liam Fox would have 42 trade deals signed of by the time we leave, if the result is close its not over, ...........

A and led to 3 wars and ongoing terroism and insurgency, innocent people are still paying with their lives.

Agree,

I agree a lot will be written about him, however it will not in the main show him a good light. As you say it will be written by proper historians, experts even.

He will certainly go down in history, not for any achievement but for his destructive, regressive version of politics. A sel promotionalist who takes responsibility for nothing and gives nothing.

G I was ignoring you and your arrogance, however your inability to acknowledge a man who gave great service to his country, as a Royal Marine, MI6 intelligence officer, fearless politician and internationally respected diplomat says so much about your self appointed sense of superiority and does nothing to detract from the life of a good man. How will your obituary compare?

If any of our current crop,in any party, were half the person Paddy was, we would not be in the mess we are. RIP a great human, a patriot and a man of courage and conviction.

So you are saying that even if she wins the vote it is actually the "Party Bigwigs" who will decide she has to resign, great to see democracy in action in the Tory party!

Leave voters are not homogeneous entity tough are they, and we are all free to change our minds, neither you nor me have any idea how many leave voters there are in the country as of the 12 December 2018, it has been very well demonstrated that the leave vote was made up of a wide range of views; Those ideologically opposed to the EU or the hard Brexiters, those who are/were concerned about sovereignty, protest voters, those harping back to the golden era that never existed, and racists because if one thing is certain, not everyone who voted leave is a racist, but every racist voted leave and innumerable other reasons. You cannot set yourself up as the spokesperson for all leave voters any more than I can claim to represent all remain voters.

What is your reference point, 6 months ago the odds were stacked against a referendum the trend (something you are keen on) so by your own standards yes referendum is more likely

A So the odds tell us the deal is dead, doh! A second referendum is more likely, and that the tories won’t reverse article 50, not sure any of that is surprising or an indication of anything.

This is football forum, childish puerility is the norm, the problem is that when one attempts to debate in an adult manner both sides descend very quickly to childish puerility. The biggest frustration being peoples inability to give a straight answer to a question.

Are you sat with two pencils up your nose and your pants on your head constantly repeating the word wibble? you certainly sound like a loony, dismiss anything you dont like and promote a dubious reality, Brexit in nutshell.

A great man from whom all of us could learn.

Juice!

Dyeing is an arse, he has very limited EU market for his products. He is. Quitter because that suits him, his posture is me me me, sound familiar?

And there you have it, brexidiotman

Sorry who is Matthew Flynn? why do you think the opinion of a junior hack on a Brexit broadsheet is the such a compelling argument, oh of course you do he is not an expert and therefore must have a far better understanding of the complexities of international finance than those who have actually got some experience and wisdom, you know all the ones that keep telling us that Brexit is bad for the economy.

Listening to this Radio 4 Series might improve the standard of debate in this thread, and indeed in many others : https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bfd2qr

you are wasting your time, a zealot finds it impossible to process anything that contradicts their ideology. Whatever reality you present is roundly rejected. I cannot imagine what strange universe GM resides in but to date un-discovered by humankind.

The main point is that both parties, Tory and Labour, have significant issues with what may broadly be termed 'prejudice' and it seems that only Corbyn and Labour are being seriously challenged by the main stream media. I acknowledge that Labours problem is compounded by Corbyn being leader , his past record does not paint him in a good light. For our right leaning members to fail to acknowledge the discriminatory and frankly xenophobic prejudices of some representatives of the Tory party is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Totally neutral view but current trends in party membership do not bode well for the Tories, if Labour could replace Corbyn with a real leader I think they would wipe the floor with the Tories. For the Tories Brexit is potentially terminal, they ran scared of UKIP and administered the political equivalent of Novachok to themselves and are now on life support. The Tory base is aging fast and they cannot attract younger members in anything like sufficient numbers, nothing to do with the wisdom of age everything everything to do with their policies, MP's and failures. As of January 2018 Uk Political Party Membership (except NI) was: Labour had 552,000 members with an average age of 53, Conservative 124,000 members, average age 57 with 53% over 60; SNP had 118,000 average age 54; Liberal Democrats 101,000 average age 52; Green Party 41,000 members only 27% over 60; UKIP 21,000 members 68% over 60; Plaid Cymru 8,000 members. Source: House of Commons BRIEFING PAPER Number SN05125, 1 May 2018

Much the same as there wont be a General Election, until such time as it suits her single objective of what is best for the Tory Party, if she thinks a Referendum will improve hers and the nasty parties standing she will U turn in the blink of an eye.