moonraker

It’s a bit rich hearing a Tory complain about the Lords. The Lords are performing their duty as part of a Sovereign Government within our Parliamentary Democracy, something Quitters campaigned for, they are a revising chamber protecting us from ill conceived or poorly drafted legislation, and the EU Bill like the referendum Bill was poorly drafted. They are a crucial check on the power of the executive and do not have to do as they are told by Dictator May. It’s a good job the Tory policy didn’t prevail on Lords reform and retain their legion of hereditary peers, you know those freeloaders who only had a seat because some distant ancestor serviced a royal or two, and just obeyed the party whip due their inability to have any independent thought or opinion. They still have 48 hereditary peers more than all other groups put together.

Or the surge in key EU countries economies, prior of course to the EU disintigrating!

You can choose not to have a television receiver.

Anyone who has witnessed TV in countries where there is no centrally funded Public Service Broadcaster should recognise that the licence fee (not a Tax) is a small price to pay, whether you choose to use the service or not, it is very good value. If you really don't watch listen to or access the BBC services and don't like paying it you have the choice to view on-line subscription only channels. The BBC is for me an important part of our nations infrastructure, not beyond criticism or improvement, but still one of the best broadcasters in the world. As has been pointed out above the objectors tend to be right wingers, you know them, the ones that don't like paying for anything from which others might benefit, they also claim custodianship of Britisheness and think the rabid right wing press is the source of all truth.

Stand fast the result, what would have been a great day was a good day. Went with my 15 year old son, his 2nd Wembly final and he loved the atmosphere, we were in the top tier and stood for most of the game. While our repertoire may have been limited all fans know the words and don't feel any embarrassment at singing it, many families are put off by the over use of swearing and hate in songs. Sat next to us was Japanese father and his young son (8 -9 ish) they were loving it, fully kitted out in SFC colours. I am sure some on here will vilify such tourist fans but I am chuffed and proud that our club is attracting them, the other road leads to skatevile, full of insular inbred morons, we all did our club proud because we did it as individuals but all with common cause. I found the United effort at doing something special before kick off amusing, the cards they had placed on the seats to spell out their name, when the time came not enough of the complacent entitled ****s were in their seats and half the letters were unrecognisalble.

Putting aside political leanings and whether you are Labour, Conservative, LD, Green or anything else, Jeremy Corbyn is a disaster for UK democracy. He has no leadership qualities, he has no interest in what people actually think it is all about his outdated version of socialism. He claims they need to do better in getting the (his) message across, Jeremy that is not the issue apart from your myopic devotees in the party the majority of the electorate do understand your message and they don't like it or want what it offers. We are living through a very sad time for our democracy where polar opposites are dominating the political dialogue and to many lily livered elected politicians are failing to stand up to the extremes. If people thought they were being ignored and left behind by politicians before, they are going to be doubly dissapointed if the leaders of the two largest parties continue down the roads they are currently on.

Don't worry once the Quitters have ruined our country these dammed johnny foreigners will have no reason to come.

Why heterosexual whites, surely it discriminates against all heterosexuals colour is irrelevant.

Booked very generous of HBFC

If the media are such a bunch of *****s why do you keep posting links to the media?

I will be driving up from Bath and have a couple of spare seats if anyone is interested. Intend to park at Rayners Lane and then tube.

I did not expect to get a ticket having only been to 4 home games this season, but now have one thanks to a very determined son (6 games) who stuck with the very busy website. Whilst the membership requirement may seem unfair and mean a few tickets go unsold I am assuming the club do not want to be inundated with plastic south coast Mancs ending up in Saints Fans seats if they put them on open general sale, imagine the whinging on here if some of us found ourselves sat next to one of these. I do not however understand how they cannot allow non members with purchase history for home and away games to buy tickets.

In other news, approval of life saving drugs to be very likley to delayed after Brexit, Farmers not getting paid on time and do not know what they will get post Brexit .......

Having read much of the white paper it is little more than the unconvincing Brexit optimism we have been asailed with for years. I hope that MPs do their job and scrutinise every word, it is very poor document.

I always wondered what Cloud Cuckoo Land was like, Brexit and the election of Trump have satisfied my curiosity and it is not a good land. Only cuckoo's are welcome, which thankfully means eventually they will die out, they are not capable of actually existing on their own they need other species to do the hard work for them but don’t want any contact with or responsibility for them. They are very aggressive when challenged about their lifestyle but when real courage is needed they disappear faster than a Bojo promise. The cuckoo is easily identified, by its plaintiff cry of ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and its colourful plumage that is very similar to the emperors new clothes, based as it is on conceited illusions. Thankfully despite fewer sightings of many more sociable, hospitable and hard working species their numbers are actually very strong and will in time knock the selfish cuckoo from its perch.

Swap a 27 year old for a final season 34 year old, great business that. Keep Jay simples.

Change the thread title to WERE GOING TO WEMBLY I am so proud, brilliant from every player, Stephens was immense

No country in the EU standing on it own can stand up to the Russians, in 1939 - 40 Finland held and beat the Russians, it is not GDP or numbers of troops but quality and determination. Whatever the Finnish PM said it does not alter the fact that the 4 countries I named are Militarily Neutral and it of military maters we have been debating, none of these countries has foreign military presence in their countries EU led or otherwise. It is exactly this type of misunderstanding of how the things really are that leads to so much suspicion and misunderstanding, led by bullsh**tter in chief Nigel Farage.

This old cherry, the EU is not planning its own army, yes a few senior politicians and bureaucrats in the EU have stated an aspiration for an EU wide Army, and have even written papers and proposal for such. It’s a good headline for eurosceptic’s but in reality it’s a pipe dream. You also need to understand that the term EU Army has a number connotations; Eurosceptics choose to interpret it as all EU military forces under a single chain of command, to some it is an extension to the current EU Rapid Reaction Force, to others it is more joint operations in support of EU policy and goals. Of the current 28 members of the EU 22 are members of NATO, they do not need to go running to NATO for assistance its fundamental to the alliance that they would receive it, see Nato's five - collective security clause. There is no mandate in the EU to supplant NATO which the EU unanimously acknowledges as the primary Alliance for defence against state on state aggression. In fact you have identified the problem to creating an EU Army in your ill thought out statement, in that Ireland, Sweden, Austria, and Finland are still neutral, and they would have a veto over any move to an EU Wide army as peddled by Eurosceptics. Equally the other EU countries are equally proud other national armed forces and will not pass control of them to the EU Your ‘couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag’ is based on what? Have you spent anytime operating with multiple forces from across the EU? Are you a military analyst? I do have wide experience of working with international military forces and I can assure you there are many highly capable militaries in the EU, try invading those neutral countries Sweden and Finland. The average Eurosceptic view of EU militaries has little basis in fact, and like many such views is far more a condemnation of those who hold the view than of hose whom they seek to denigrate.

To those that think stopping immigration will solve the Islamic terrorist problem you are either naïve, simple or easily taken in by right wing semi fascist propaganda. As has been repeatedly pointed out the majority of terrorist atrocities in the west are undertaken by Western European citizens. The tired default of blaming left wing apologists and soft lily livered liberals for not addressing terrorism is pathetic. No religion, ideology or political movement has the exclusive rights to terrorism. For 30 years the UK suffered from Christian terrorism (over 3,500 deaths), the terrorist Anders Brevik and Jo Cox’s murderer were neo-Nazi white supremacists, indeed Islamic fundamentalism is not the main driver of terrorism in Western countries: 80% of attacks in the last 10 years were by political extremists, nationalists, racial and other religious supremacists. Today the odious Nigel Farage has laid into Jo Cox’s husband for supporting ‘Hope not Hate’ with Farage claiming it as an extremist organisation, he really has lost the plot. It is people like Farage and his political bedfellows who do far more to create the intolerance, tension, suspicion and fear that more than anything creates the conditions that divides us and drives a miniscule minority to execute abhorrent acts in the name of extremism in all its forms.

If he is telling you stuff about national security he isbreaking the law, are you OK with that?

Its the New Forest Derby, apprently!

What don't you understand about neutrality? My father, an air gunner, thinks the EU is exactly what he fought for, a joined up peaceful Europe.

Based on the UN analysis, the happiest countries in the world are either: In the EU, 4 out of the top 10, members of EFTA and EEA with free movement of people in Europe, or ex British colonies, 3 out of the top ten, no longer subject to British Law. Impossible to draw any concrete conclusions from what is a subjective assessment but it seems either being in the EU or at least accepting it four basic principles, or divorcing yourself from Britain engenders greater happiness. Also interesting is that all of the EU accession countries have increasing levels of happiness, of EU countries only miserable France, the UK and Italy have falling levels.

Jay is looking sharper than hitherto the most encouraging aspect of our play so far today.