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I never said that.

He hasn't joined yet.

Though I have to say that is one of the biggest pains on this forum. Whenever I write a post you get the same three or four people replying soon after not talking about the post itself but just about myself as a poster. Anyway as Mike said back on topic.

Pretty sure you are putting words into my mouth and dragging me into an argument I have had nothing to do with...

So in your mind not only should religious people have their children taken into care, but they are stupid and not to be taken seriously on any subject. What would happen if you agreed with someone but then later found out they were a Christian? Would your view change?

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I don't think there is much merit in a religious person having an argument with a non religious person about the lack of evidence. Faith is after all the most fundamental component of Christianity (and I suspect the area that most atheists have difficulty with) so there will never be agreement. My stance is to question the actual real 'damage' that Christian parents do to their child by taking them to church every week. I simply don't believe there is such a thing as brainwashing in this circumstance. I am sure there are extreme examples but no doubt a small minority.

I think there is broad agreement here on some of these issues. Forcing children to believe something unquestionably is clearly wrong. Depriving children of access to learn about other religions including the theory of evolution etc is also wrong. To my mind, there is nothing wrong with taking your child to church every week, explaining to them what you as parents believe and then giving them the toold necessary to be able to make their own choices. That doesn't fit with what my definition of 'brainwashing' is to any degree.

Quite possible, but I'm not sure I actually care even if there is. I mean there is a legacy from all sorts of teachings and environments in life and religion is just one small part of that. What actually matters is proper parenting be that in an atheist or christian household which should allow their child to make choices for themselves when they are older even if they have been influenced in whatever way by the choices of their parents (but then that is the same for any sort of future beliefs.)

I was very impressed with our performance, it totally surpassed my expectations. There were however still a few errors made by our defence that we still need to rectify before the closing of the window. If nothing else, we have zero strength in depth at CB.

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I realise this is a different point, but practically it would be virtually impossible for a religious person not to include their children in at least some of their practices. Say they go to church every Sunday, it would be pretty impossible to organise someone to look after the children every week for fear that they would attend and then become brainwashed for life. Of course everyone is influenced to some degree by the values of their parents be that how they solve disputes to the values they attach to material possessions etc. I still have yet to meet all these legions of Christian parents that systematically brainwash their children by teaching them about the fires of hell should they step out of line. I don't think they exist and actually I think learning about different religions is not actually a harmful thing.

​I think you missed the entire point of what he said.

I'm still unsure about this subtle indoctrination thing. I went to a catholic secondary school but the whole time I was there I thought it was a load of rubbish, even when I was about 12.

My response to that would be does it really matter if an individual is subconsciously influenced to do good things in later life? All sorts of things could influence behaviour not just religion. Ultimately if there are people doing acts of kindness all over the place then whether it is influenced by religion or not to my mind is of little consequence. Besides, it would be virtually impossible to measure.

But we still conceded 3 goals and it was clear we have a weakness in defence.

What would be your definition of being brought up with religious doctrine?

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We need to get a move on RE signings. This Ramirez saga has distracted everyone but we are just over a week away and we are still in desperate need for signings in other areas.

Exactly. I like to think that my parents gave me a bit more credit than that. They understood that I am my own person who can think for myself. They introduced me to christianity through which I believe I learnt quite a bit. I then was allowed to decide for myself how I wanted to live my life. I still go to a small local church that my grandma used to attend on christmas day simply because I like the tradition and I went at easter last year. Why people assume that all offspring of religious folk are forever destined to be religious themselves I have no idea. And even if they are, it's not necessarily a consequence of having it forced into them from an early age. Talk of burning in hell if you don't follow christianity was never something that I experienced as a child and I suspect that is similar for the vast majority. Reading something like that just makes me think of those old films set in Irish boarding schools. It's an alien concept.

That isn't what he said at all. He said all people with religious beliefs should have their children taken into care as if everyone who is religious forces their children into their religion. That was never my experience growing up. Yes I went to church but then when I was older my parents let me decide for myself. Same with my girlfriend who is a muslim. The idea that all religious people are forcing their offspring into their religion is seriously misguided though I accept that in some cases it does happen.

Saying something like you believe that those with faith are not fit to look after children is a perfect example of belittling someone.