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Brand new never been used. In box with everything that comes with it. Asking for 210 which is pretty cheap if you ask me!

will be interesting to see what hmrc will challenge. There are a number of angles they could take

I think it all comes down to whether it is image rights tax (not legally enforcable) or fines from HMRC (legally enforcable) as to whether HMRC have a case here. If it is the image rights the AA will vigorously contest it because in law HMRC cannot enforce them.

There is nothing to say they won't be dragged into a court dispute. They is no way they will just give up.

It's more make sure you owe HMRC but owe other people loads more!

Told you so

The CVA will be approved because AA will move the debt levels around to fit. HMRC will challenge it and this will have a long time to run. Leeds were forced to come out of admin without a CVA because the administrator could not afford to bankroll the appeal process. No doubt Chanrai will bankroll the skates thoug because of the promise of the parachute payments. Will be interesting to see the outcome of any appeal once HMRC have done challenging.

It is the discretion of the administrator whether to accept additional debt claims or not. HMRC can claim fines on the original loan and also the disputed tax on image rights payments. AA will dismiss these because he is dodgy as f*ck. The CVA will pass tomorrow, AA will go on and on about how great he is and how they can start again and HMRC will then challenge him in court. HMRC will no doubt win and then I don't know what happens after that. No one be suicidal tomorrow though when the CVA passes, it's all a sham!

Does anyone know how to get in contact with Nick? I cannot seem to log into TUI.

At least 50 million but maybe more. Especially when taking into account the 90 million that Premiership status is worth for ONE SEASON! They would make a handsome profit whatever the figure is so the argument still stands up.

and i doubt he will need to invest a lot at all. Because we have no running costs everything we make goes towards buying players and wages and training grounds etc. An additional 10 million investment can easily propel us to the prem. Even 20 million would bring a huge profit. How much do you think sfc with no debt in the prem is worth?

no i specified at least 200 mil earnings from being established in the prem (of wich much would be profit.) if they decided to sell should we get to the prem they will make a guge profit

Everyone seemed to manage it apart from you. Play the ball not the man? Oh dear, there is always one person who can't debate the points raised so personally attacks the poster involved in the debate. Ho hum.

Well IMO certainly not. Without going over old ground, the lack of installment option at such short notice will no doubt deter a percentage from renewing or buying a new season ticket. Anyway, lower season tickets and higher walk ups game by game will have an increase in revenue for the club. We shall see about food but it is my opinion that we will see a rise above inflation. With a food and drink prices rise (which I accept is speculation), booking fee introduction, lack of installment option which may result in lower season ticket sales but a higher walk up, how is that not evidence of the club trying to increase its revenue?

Yes DBP and by making it look like a generous gesture, it in turn encourages the fans to feel good abut the club and to spend more. The very action of having no sponsor will increase revenue in other areas! I don't have a problem with that btw, I'm just suggesting that this is how it works.

Oh I have no problem with that. I hope you didn't think from my opening post that I was hoping we weren't run sensibly and within our means. I was just a scenario where the motivation of purchasing the club for Markus and Cortese was purely financial (and status based) and asking people to comment on what they thought were this scenario actually the case. For me personally I would hate us to become like Manchester United (I know we won't ever be that big it's just an example.) Really successful sure but at what cost? Would I get the same satisfaction following the Manu of the south? IMO almost certainly not but for others they definitely will. I was interested in how people felt. In summary, I hope we are run to break even but equally I hope that this is done whilst keeping fans on board and in mind so that rifts do not appear. The threatening of legal action against fans is an example of a club showing contempt for fans and being bullying, as would be rebuffing attempts to sort out some dialogue between fans and the guys at the top. These are just examples but they are scenarios which have happened at other clubs in a similar situation to ourselves and I would hate for relations at our club to break down into something like this. Lets hope not!

Quite clearly, a number of things are being put in place for next year to increase revenue. It will be predicted that the special commemorative shirt will sell more than the shirts from last year. The 2 pound booking fee will increase revenue. Higher food and drink prices will increase revenue. Of course there is no definitive "proof" but it's pretty darn likely when you look at it!

Sorry I think you misunderstand me a bit. I was thinking of prices such as Chelseas which taking myself as an example I know there is no way I would be able to afford to go regularly. I was also speculating that if Cortese was acting in an improper manner, would there be a scenario where you would withdraw your support or at least express concern? If your answer is never then fair enough!

Want to bet that shirt sales will not be quite a bit higher this year? Almost definitely IMO. Anyway it's irrelevent because it's clearly a calculated gamble. SOme would say a similar calculated gamble to the one that meant they bought the club in the first place.

It will have been a pure business decision, as Dave Benson Phillips has pointed out. I imagine the increase in shirt sales as well as having the freedom to negotiate a more lucrative sponsor contract in the CCC next season will have played a huge part.

Thanks for that, that's the sort of eloquent opinion I was after! I know we'll keep paying but I was also wondering if there would be a situation where you would withdraw your support. I know that we are always exploited to an extent, but I imagine for Cortese it is a balance between doing as much as he can to squeeze every last drop of revenue from the support without going too far and turning them off. I do hope however that Cortese takes the time to listen to fans concerns if they are valid concerns.

That is irrelevent and has nothing to do with the question I was asking.

That wasn't my motivation for starting this thread at all. It's actually going pretty well because people with opposing opinion are airing them without getting personal. I urge you to join in!

things are seldom what they seem

Why is it unlikely? I don't think it's unlikely really. You are right though, I am slightly bored.