Fair play Ponty I didn't see that. I have to say though that sometimes there is a bit of an attitude with mods and admins regarding criticism or suggestions of how to improve the forum. Not suggesting it is all mods but sometimes you make a suggestion or a criticism and it either gets laughed at, belittled or if you're very lucky someone says we are looking at it and nothing really gets changed. The line used to be that the forum was owned by the admin and they would run it how they wanted but now since people are paying, I would suggest that the customer's should at least have their input listened to and should have a hand in how this is run. Sometimes it comes accross as arrogance. As SFC shows, if you believe you are right and refuse to ignore your customers then they will go elsewhere (or refuse to pay.)