hypochondriac

Not sure I'd count it as cheap. It's up there with one of the more expensive championship transfers in history.

There's a time and a place to call out bad behaviour. It would be pretty naive to think that diplomacy doesn't sometimes mean shutting your trap every once in a while to get something you want. Hence Lammy will be staying quiet and smiling if Trump gets back in despite all the stuff he's said about him. Let's not pretend that Labour were not perfectly happy to take the P&O investment and grab the good headlines, only to have it ruined because a couple of their fringe weirdos aren't politically savvy enough to understand when to keep it shut. Hopefully they're booted out like Gray ASAP and maybe Starmer can start salvagong this thing.

It's because the ones mouthing off are the lefties used to being in perpetual opposition and able to say whatever they want without consequence. They're used to student politics but now they're in power they fail to realise that statements they make are finally listened to and there's consequences to their actions.

I think it could happen eventually. I see no positive from having her in a prominent position. She'll probably get bumped in a reshuffle in a year or so.

The left will go apeshit. If Starmer does get ousted over the next four years, they're going to be chomping at the bit to replace the Conservative in socialist clothing as they see it.

Sounds like Labour were more than happy to reward them up until the point that lefties in the cabinet mouthed off without thinking and they pulled out.

Alternatively tell some of the low IQ loudmouths in the cabinet to wire their jaws shut?

Finally. A proposal I can support.

So absolute chicken feed then. I'll be interested to see the effects if they do whack up cgt as much as predicted.

Like I said, I still think it's going to be closer than you think:

It would be great if it doesn't rise (guardian sources hardly likely to be wrong though in this instance.) because I can continue to invest and contribute to the economy in the process. Loads of people will feel the same. If it is as the Guardian predict we will be well above the German, Italian and French rate. Why would you invest here if that's the case?

Labour should be encouraging investment, not the total opposite. If the conditions become too risky and many investment become too likely to be loss making then no one will bother or will invest outside of the country. This might provide a very short term gain-maybe not- but medium to long term it will make things much worse.

As expected, Labour whacking up capital gains tax. Luckily I'll be selling my investments beforehand and then keeping it all in the bank and doing very little with it. I expect most people will do similar which is the opposite of what should be happening.

Can we not mention Graham Potter? It's embarrassing.

It's not me you need to convince. I don't actually care about a lot of that stuff but I've seen and spoken to a fair amount of labour supporters and voters who have expressed how disappointed they are in the government and how they feel duped given the language that was used prior to the election. If half the cabinet wants Taylor Swift tickets then thats up to them. If the totality of their claims have made a lot of the people who voted for them consider the to be hypocritical or at least not live up to the words they said themselves then that's something I'd be concerned about if I were a Labour MP. What are your thoughts on Labour's first 100 days?

I preferred him when he was delldays with the popinski avatar.

Indeed. Trying to pretend that the issue is simply about allowing people days from death to end their life with dignity and nothing else is indeed very tedious.

It doesn't surprise me that you would fail to understand the nuances of an issue. Besides, your morals are entirely out of kilter to the extent that anyone should generally be concerned if they're on the same side as you on something like this. According to you supporting child rape is not the worst crime in the world.

I'll remind you, a tory thread still exists where you can talk about them to your hearts content. This is the Labour thread about the party in power.

Agree with this. If we were villa or Brighton we'd be loving it.

Your entire second paragraph is an invention in your own mind and you've just ignored all the many examples ive given you of instances where Canada has expanded the law beyond its original remit. Canada is just one example and there are others.

I mostly agree with that. If there was some way to guarantee it applied solely to those with weeks to live then I could see a scenario where I could support it. Practically that's impossible though.

Genius if true.

That's a different discussion but hard to disagree with any of that. I agree mental health support could be much improved but surely the answer is not in the absence of support you can just die and remove the burden of care from anyone else?

Have you just wilfully ignored the cases I have posted above? I would say the most alarming statistic is that only 4% of those who apply for assisted death get denied. Suffering from Lou Gehrig’s disease at 41, Sean Tagert required 24-hour care, but British Columbia only provided 16-hour assistance. Paying caretakers for the remaining eight hours cost Tagert CA$264 per day. Health authorities did offer to move Tagert to an institution, but its location was far from the young son who was clearly his father’s prime reason for living, as Tagert described such a separation as a “death sentence”. The man managed to raise CA$16,000 to invest in medical equipment that would allow him to remain at home, but the funds were insufficient. So instead he applied for euthanasia. The end At the age of 61, Alan Nichols had a history of depression and was hospitalised as a suicide risk in 2019 — something of an irony, as in due course the hospital staff, according to his family, was altogether too helpful in facilitating the patient’s application for euthanasia. That application was accepted, even though the only health condition it cited as so intolerable that Nichols wanted to die was “hearing loss”. After Nichols was put to death, his family objected that the man was not suffering unbearably, had been refusing to take his medication, and wouldn’t use the cochlear implant that helped him hear. But no medical personnel had ever contacted his relatives, out of respect for patient confidentiality. In more than one instance in Canada, too, patients seem to have been actively pressed to consider pulling their own plug to save the health system money. Hospitalised for a degenerative brain disorder, Roger Foley was, according to Associated Press, “so alarmed by staffers mentioning euthanasia that he began secretly recording some of their conversations”. In one recording, the hospital’s director of ethics informs Foley that his hospital stay is costing the institution “north of $1,500 a day” — quite the guilt trip. Foley asks about the plan for his long-term care. “Roger, this is not my show,” the “ethicist” said. “My piece of this was to talk to you, to see if you had an interest in assisted dying.” But Foley himself had never expressed the slightest interest in dying For while the Australian province of Victoria, for example, forbids doctors from bringing up the option of euthanasia, lest it be mistaken for medical advice, Canada’s physicians can cheerfully recommend being killed as one of patients’ “clinical care options”. Thus, Sheila Elson took her daughter to an emergency room in Newfoundland six years ago. Unprompted, the doctor informed Elson that her daughter of 25, who had cerebral palsy and spinal bifida, was a good candidate for euthanasia. As Elson later told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the doctor chided that not taking up the state’s kindly offer to slay her daughter would be “selfish”. At least four cases have been unearthed of veterans with, say, PTSD being encouraged to consider assisted dying in preference, as one staffer put it diplomatically, to “blowing your brains out”. Maid has been active in prisons as well, whose population is also costly and understandably prone to feeling glum.