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This is heartening to see. We coukd do with much more of this from moderates and less of the extremists chanting about killing Israelis. When people like this gain prominence is when the chance for peace increases.

Wow. Those Palestinians must not have known what they were voting for. Masters of deception are Hamas!

If you don't know why then I can't help you.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. They did change things in 2017. That wasn't the first time they called for the eradication of Jews though. You're acting like they were all fine up until a few years ago when they went loopy and hoodwinked Palestinians into voting for them. Just because they have become explicitly more extreme with their accord didn't mean that was the first time.

I've seen enough of it from the left myself and what has been reported in the media to see that it's not an insignificant amount. I didn't provide a number.

False equivalence.

Are you suggesting that Hamas had not called for the eradication of Jews prior to 2017?

If you want to play semantics with the words some and loads then I'm happy. To concede that it's some. Both terms are subjective anyway and as I pointed out earlier, it's a not insignificant amount. My some may be your loads anyway. Regardless it's too many whatever the number.

I didn't call the left anti Jewish, neither did I say it was only a problem on the left. You're reading what you want to read.

Of course some people on the right have a problem with antisemitism I thought that was obvious and didn't really need saying. I was talking about some on the lefts problem with it and why they believe it. It's something different from the right with different motivations as baddiel seeks to outline.

What does that have to do with what I said? Rallyboy is claiming it's ridiculous to say that some on the left have a problem with antisemitism. Antisemitism on the right isn't relevant.

You don't think that some people on the left have a history of anti semitism? Maybe we should ask some Jews what they think? Or read the EHRC report? Or you know just go on social media and read some of the clearly anti semitic comments from many prominent people on the left. Or read newspaper articles on the topic or Google where it is covered extensively (I won't waste time pasting the articles on here but suffice to say there's dozens.) There's tons of evidence that some on the left have an antisemitism problem.

Yes I remember that now! He went on and on about peaceful negotiations with them. He said for ages how bombing them was a bad idea and that it wouldn't work. Turns out it did work and their group has been destroyed. I wonder how his tactic of negotiation and non violent protest would have worked. Thanks for reminding me.

"Compromise".

It's honourable and brave to go against the grain of your supposed 'side.' if it's something you believe in.

Loads of people on the left have a history of antisemitism because they view the Jews as powerful and they buy into power dynamics where you can't be opressed if you have power (hence racism is no longer prejudice against someone due to their race and a redefinition of prejudice + power). It's simply incorrect to state that people who view the world through that lens don't consider the Jews to be not part of the oppressed class. That very much is what many think. Not everyone like I said but not an insignificant amount, it's been all over social media for weeks now.

I'd be astounded if we scored three and kept a clean sheet. Much more likely to be a close 2-1.

I bet there's a sentence in this thread somewhere calling Hamas bad or something like that. Rather pales into comparison with the reams of posts about any old thing he finds from Corbyn fanboys on social media...

Not all by any means but I can certainly see this line of thinking from a couple of posters on here. From David baddiel's book.

To be fair, I think he's trying to say that an uprising in Iran will lead to instability and may end up with the people being more oppressed. Personally I don't think that's an argument for it not to happen, but these things do tend to lead to unintended and unforseen occurrences. Of course he threw in some whataboutism criticising Israel but that's standard.

We are never going to agree. You see Israel as the aggressor and the reason that the Palestinians attack Israel and I simply don't agree. It's a fundamental difference that is never going to be reconciled. Israel aren't going to stop until they've satisfied their objectives which is to largely destroy Hamas and cripple it's operations for a number of years. Might as well accept that fact and work on what to do next. An uprising in Iran whilst clearly unpredictable may end up being a net positive in the end. I'd certainly like their people to be less opressed.

Very interesting and a take that I agree with. It would be good if western nations saw the bigger picture and acted accordingly.

Let's remember also that fuel and money that could have been used to improve things and help the average person to prosper has been used to build and run weapons or other infrastructure to target Israel.

Once all the rich countries have had it, hopefully we get it at the decent European countries again. A winter world Cup sucks.

Would be good to have some polling on the matter. I really hope that the innocent Palestinians have enough resolve and will to realise how bad Hamas is for them and push for something different. That imo would go some way to improve things eventually.