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I don't think saints fans are asking for much. Just a competitive team, a bit of entertainment and some grit and determination. What we saw today and in the last game was a total mess and is a result of us trying to reinvent the wheel and asking perfectly decent players for this level to do things they aren't comfortable with in the name of some ideology. I just want to be competitive in football games and blow the philosophy. I never saw us with any of this rubbish the last time we won promotion.

He was absolutely terrible today and we know he's been consistently good for us. He's confused and the tactics mean he doesn't know what he's doing. Either the communication is wrong or the system has meant it isn't clear what is going on.

I get that this style may take time to implement but ffs why make it way more difficult for yourself than you have to? Just go back to basics, have a bit of the tippy tappy passing but why on earth set up in defence to leave us entirely open on the break? OK so we didn't help ourselves tonight with individual errors that led to goals, but if you lose to a couple of mistakes you can almost take that. We just make it so easy for the opposition to run at us and invite pressure.

I don't buy that the players aren't good enough. It's entirely the tactics, it's confused, error strewn and amateurish.

I said today that this could be a harbinger of things to come. Ominous that we don't seem to have done anything differently. We could have had another goal or two but they could have had another four.

The tactics are ridiculous. Can Martin make some fundamental changes as we absolutely have enough players to do well in this league. If he can't then this will keep happening until he gets sacked.

We've got a half decent squad. We're just playing suicidal football.

Surely he won't play Holgate? That would be mental.

I'm guessing it's Charles and Bednarek at the back unless Jan doesn't make it and then it's Bellis.

Firstly that's not quite the same thing is it when it's the local paper struggling to survive. The Daily Echo isn't the Athletic. Secondly, by posting it on here you're making this forum liable which imo is a shitty thing to do.

I think it's OK to find ways to read it, but it's a bit much to copy and paste it on here.

Golden thread. @Saint_clarkdid Mike osman's brother ever sue you?

Martin has said all season and preseason that the fans needed to stick with it because we would have bad days.

It's one game and much too early to say, particularly as most of the players didn't start the game.

But also cause for hope that this was hopefully a one off.

Charles THB Adams Fraser Ameyew All players who have played as well or better than players in the starting lineup yesterday. Add in Stewart when fit and that's more than half a team different from yesterday's one.

They weren't in league one last season.

We can nitpick over individual goals or saves but taken together in its entirety he just isn't a good enough keeper. Nothing we can do now but I just wish we had been a bit more ruthless.

He's just a crap keeper. You very rarely see him make saves that he isn't supposed to make and on occasion he will fail to make saves that he should make. He doesn't inspire confidence, he isn't a leader or an organiser he's just not good enough.

He played at RB for West Brom. I never supported him playing at CB.

Bazunu is shite. He's always been shite, you don't need stats or anything else to show that.

Certainly wouldn't have him at CB!

Maybe (I don't know) but he's not now and no hope of a transfer unless he fancies a stint in the middle east.

Well he's training with us so it's not like he's run off or refusing to train.

Anyone else excited to see how Sulemana will do in this league? If he sorts himself out he should rip it up.