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Agree with all of that. Good post.

They did defeat Al qaeda. That's pretty unarguable. So your solution would have been to carpet bomb swathes of Afghanistan? How is that preferable to an invasion?

Nah. It's all ridiculous to be honest. I'd like to see Ronaldo and Messi in the same team.

We did it much better than America TBF.

Nope I remember the speech Bush gave in 2006 where he said something along the lines of "loss of freedom anywhere in the world is a threat to America." He used the word freedom countless times and it was remarked on at the time as a marked shift from retaliation for 9/11 to team America style foreign policy trying to dictate to Afghanistan how to behave. You didn't answer the question though, what should post 9/11 America have done to destroy Al Qaeda in Afghanistan that didn't involve invasion?

It was only in about 2006 that Bush started talking about saving women etc. Prior to that it was about removing Al qaeda and making them pay. How else could you have reacted to Al Qaeda? Afghanistan was harbouring these people and they wouldn't have been able to get them out without an invasion. Enforcing societal change came later.

I was simply talking about the climate immediately following 9/11. America had to do something and Afghanistan was who harboured the terrorists. Given the climate I think there was little choice other than to invade them. To do less wasn't really an option.

I really wish psg would just buy him. Ronaldo and Messi on the same team would be great for football.

You said your opinion of him was cha going and he was caught between a rock and a hard place. The suggestion is that he had no option other than to pull out all the troops before civilians which is palpable nonsense.

And that's sort of understandable given what had taken place. It wasn't an option at the time to just do nothing and say nothing to do with us. It very much was to do with America.

Yes the Americans were set to leave. No idea if it would have been done in this manner under Trump. Leaving hasn't been the issue-they should leave-it's the manner of the leaving that's caused this and that's all Biden.

You can't lay it at Trump. Pulling out all the troops at once without leaving any sort of force, without attempting to get any civilians or foreigners out is almost criminally negligent and was only ever going to end one way. Biden needs to own this but all he can do is squirm and try to desperately throw it back at Trump which is pathetic really. Trump has all manner of faults but this is on him.

I think probably worth remembering the political atmosphere after 9/11. It's easy to state this things decades down the line but things were at fever pitch after the terror attack and the consensus was that there had to be reprisals.

Should have voted for Tulsi Gabbard she was the only one who talked any sense that wasn't rambling nonsense. Yang was alright too but a few mental policies.

How they left and what has happened since he became president is entirely on him no matter how much he tries to lay it at Trump's door. If anyone listened to that press conference and doesn't think there is something deeply wrong then you must be blind and deaf.

I don't think you can cite kwp playing at lb against Newport as evidence that we are stronger there. Much much too premature to say we are stronger at CB, no real change in midfield and slightly weaker in attack as you said. So overall no evidence thus far that we are stronger than last year imo.

I think undoubtedly the squad is stronger. Is the first team though? That remains to be seen. All depends on this CB imo.

It's bad for the world not just America. They look like they have absolutely no idea what they are doing and they are going to end up having to bribe the Taliban to let the remaining US nationals leave. Just days ago Biden rejected the notion that US citizens would be stranded. He's a moron.

Christ Biden looks sooo incompetent it's unreal. It's compounded by the fact that he's barely doing any press conferences and is answering hardly any questions. He really looks like he's lost some cognitive function to be honest. I fear for things if China do invade Taiwan.

No it doesn't. Lol. Look at the placing of the dip from the previous year.

Weird. Looks like Britain gaining its independence from the EU has causes delays in supplies in the US, the Euro zone, Australia and Japan:

Maybe change it to striker.

Good pub quiz question: Who was the longest serving saints player to play in the clubs biggest ever away win?

Whose the first person to start the monkey chants for our gorilla Lyanco? It's the inclusive thing to do.

That's a bit harsh on a day he scores three. I'd rather have him as an option compared to some of the dross we've had recently. He's worth a go at least.