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Like transphobic limericks on twitter? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/ Is the cataloguing of non hate crime incidents - these are non criminal incidents perceived by the victim to be motivated by hate - an effective and efficient use of stretched police resources?

Thank goodness. I was worried there would be abother Muslim story up next but we've managed to get an evil Christian one in instead. Phew.

Not looking great for the euro... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-11/euro-s-decline-reflects-political-turmoil-economic-woes

"relaxed." lol.

Erm you know I was agreeing with you right?

Egg has some ridiculous opinions but he's 100% right here.

So then Corbynistas, are trans women women? Are trans men men? If the answer is anything other than yes then you're transphobic and you're getting expelled from the party if corbyn with tits gets in: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51465800

If the majority of a country is white, then it is natural to see the majority of any crime being committed by white people. The concern is when communities are disproportionately involved in any particiular crime. If Hasidic Jews were wildly disproportionately involved in burglaries I'd want to investigate it to understand why this is the case. How is this any different? The disproportionate number raises questions about attitudes within that community. People just don't like the statistics. One of the main defendants in the Rotherham case argued as his defence at trial that it was his religious right to have sex with these girls. It's simply a nonsense to suggest that religion is not a factor.

And again, if there were widespread examples of slavery in the UK in 2020 and numbers of seemingly ordinary people were doing it and using Bible passages for justification then I'd be at the front of the queue to push for justice for the victims and to demand an investigation into their motivations. If a ton of people were currently following a literal interpretation of the bible like the Westboro Baptist Church and were abusing gay people in the streets then I'd be calling that out too.

Can you really not see a distinction between a priest or a number of priests using their positions of authority to abuse boys (absolutely wrong and should/is being investigated) and the normalisation of rape of mostly white women from within some South Asian communities to the extent that siblings were letting each other know so they can both be involved? Additionally, Reports that I can see suggest there have been about 500 allegations of sexual abuse from the clergy since the turn of the century, over the same period sexual abuse just from Rotherham grooming gangs alone amount to 1400 cases and that's before you mention Bristol, Rochdale, Oxford, Aylesbury, Peterborough, Newcastle and Manchester. I've been clear, all sexual abuse needs investigating and perpetrators prosecuted, however in these specific cases there is more going on and it needs a proper investigation as promised by Sajid Javid.

That seems pretty conclusive to me.

Precisely. For some there is quite obviously a religious component to this. Why would we turn a blind eye to that if recognising that fact could help to prevent this. That article makes me feel sick by the way, it's upsetting and horrendous.

The most recent Census in 2011 highlights that in England and Wales, 80 per cent of the population were white British. Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, other) ‘groups’ made up 6.8 per cent of the population; black groups 3.4 per cent; Chinese groups 0.7 cent,Arab groups 0.4 per cent and other groups 0.6 per cent.

Like you say, the cases are different and we aren't taking about imams so that's just speculation.

I think that's debatable but culture certainly plays a part. Some of the perpetrators were quoting religious scripture whilst engaging in the abuse and using it as justification for the acts. I think a proper impartial investigation including hearing from practising Muslims who believe it is at least partly due to an interpretation of Islam would be beneficial.

I'm not going to bother responding to soggy on this point any more he's just reading what he wants to read. He's an ignoramus.

That does seem to be the case. The impression is that among certain sections of South Asian society it appears to be more culturally acceptable to abuse poor white girls because they have lesser value. There appears to be a cultural dimension to the abuse that should be subject to greater scrutiny. Lets hope that investigation takes place.

Absolutely, particularly if there's a religious and cultural reason for the sexual abuse. Regarding the polices determination, that remains to be seen but given the failings up to this point, I'm sceptical that they will solve this issue.

It's mad. My wife commutes to London every day and it costs us £7k a year. My parents have just returned from napoli and their return flight costs significantly less than it would cost me to get a train to London.

Southampton central to London Waterloo is about £80. Pound for pound it's the most expensive trip in the UK...

My point is that: A) A culture of political correctness and a view that these young girls were responsible themselves meant that these crimes have not been reported for decades and B) That victims are reporting that these gangs are still operating now, and the suspicion is that many are still to be uncovered (and given how many have come to light very recently that's pretty likely). I'm obviously quite glad that people are finally being prosecuted but it's almost an unprecedented failure in this country that it's taken so long and allowed so many lives to get ruined. There should be a proper investigation looking into the causes of this and learning lessons so there isn't a repeat. Javid tentatively promised something in 2018 but it hasn't arrived.

Apologies if my point wasn't clear. Please substitute "sex crime" for "rape gang crime" and the point still stands. Plenty of evidence to suggest that Pakistani men are more likely to be involved with a rape gang but the likes of soggy don't think it's worth exploring the reasons for this.

Rotherham? Huddersfield? Telford? Oxfordshire? There's also been reports in Manchester and the speculation is that the true numbers of victims are far higher given their reluctance to go the police (is it any wonder.) Given the frequency that these have been uncovered in the last couple of years, there will undoubtedly be more brought to light eventually. It has taken decades and people have lost their jobs to even get to the point it is now. Here's another example: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/14/police-officers-knowingly-neglected-girls-exploited-grooming/ People who allowed this are yet to be prosecuted, I'd like to see some justice against those who covered this up and I'd like to see an investigation into the characteristics of those involved as was promised in 2018 but is yet to arrive.

If you had a population consisting of 100,000 white British men and amongst those 100,000 you had 100 people who committed a rape gang crime and then you had 500 South Asian Pakistani men of whom 50 people committed a rape gang crime you wouldn't consider that statistically significant? By soggy's logic, it's not worth paying attention collectively to the second figure because less crimes have been committed. That's before you even consider cultural and religious factor Obviously I'm exaggerating to make a point but it's simply bizarre that you can't see why this would be worthy of investigation. It seems to me that you've simply written off investigating this because you've decided it's something the "far right" believes so you can't even countenance it.

Because it wasn't investigated for decades? Because victims were written off and police were afraid of being called racist? Because new grooming scandals involving largely South Asian men are still coming to light even now? Because victims are still coming forward and saying things like this: Sajid Javid promised in 2018 that there would be an investigation into the "characteristics" of rape gangs but thus far this has failed to materialise.