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A bit? It's night and day.

People who consider it acceptable to post openly racist statements on a public forum aren't going to stop doing that because someone kneels before a football game or puts a black square on their twitter. Sadly racism is always going to exist but all attitudes surveys demonstrate that this is the least racist that society has ever been before which is surely a good thing.

I expect a few will have died of boredom by the conclusion.

I can't think of another time in history where it could be clearer that racist views are outdated and unacceptable.

Don't have sky

Is there a way to turn the crowd noise off?

I really don't think you can blame the players here. Honestly what choice do they have? Imagine if one of them didn't kneel. They'd be pilloried, called every name under the sun and probably lose their livelihood. I genuinely think if I were a young lad and skilled enough to be playing for a prem team I'd just keep my head down and kneel regardless of my personal feelings- it's not worth dissenting. I do agree though that I'd like to see some more action over the blatantly corrupt system that gave Qatar the world cup but unfortunately I think its too far gone.

That's pretty close from what I've seen.

Oh dear. Rather like how coronavirus is racist as it continues to attack black people, we have now learnt the sobering news that it's anti-semitic as well. How worrying: "Jewish men are twice as likely to die with Covid-19 and Jewish women 20% more likely to die with Covid-19 than Christian men and women, according to analysis from the Office for National Statistics. The analysis is based on deaths that occurred between 2 March and 15 May for which coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate and that could be linked to religion from the 2011 census. The risks for Sikhs, people who did not state a religion and people of no religion was slightly lower than for Christians."

I haven't seen campaigns against modern day slavery with anything like the same level of engagement which I would have thought would be of greater importance for those who view historic slavery as such a huge modern day problem. I actually agree with cb fry that if there's actual grievances that can be defined and tackled then that's a good thing. At the moment we seem to have some of that and then a hell of a lot of twitter mobs, outrage at statues, removing old comedies and children's TV shows, coco pops being called racist, Robert the Bruce being denounced as racist etc and then all the anti capitalist, anti family stuff I already outlined. In my opinion, virtually everyone in the UK would agree that black lives matter. The point where you're going to lose the average person is all the other stuff (and I am well aware that not every person kneeling or supporting black lives matter necessarily supports all the other stuff but a faction do and I think it's going to lose the cause support.)

It's terribly arrogant to proclaim that discussion of modern day slavery is not a relevant topic when discussing learning from the past.

For some black people racial inequality does not exist on the scale that you believe that it does.

But modern day slavery does involve racism? And its happening now, you would think it would be a much greater concern to anti racism campaigners as somethibg that could actually make a real difference now. It's a bit like lgbt activists who always seem very angry about perceived injustices in the west but have very little by comparison to say about Islamic countries where rights are violated to a much greater degree.

That's true but he was also making an assumption that it was Islamic which was the bit I was responding to. Doesn't really matter though.

Think you've missed the point. Batman isn't the one actively campaigning about the evils of historical slavery. It seems to me that if slavery were a huge overriding concern to you that you'd be better served tackling slavery that is actually occurring now rather than slavery that happened hundreds of years ago that no one alive has ever been involved in.

I'm not certain about the away kit like I am with the home.

What if you sing it in a mock reggae style and just say it's a homage to ub40?

I didn't. I was saying his assumption that it was an Islamic terrorist was correct.

Why strange?

Green King came out with a strong statement apologising because one of their founders had links with slavery. To try to make it right they are donating a sizable amount in reparations to the black community. The very least the guardian could do is to follow their lead.

I heard the away kit was just the colours reversed.

Is there a time limit on edits to posts now? Can be a bit of a pain if you want to add or change something.

It isn't obvious at all. There's a ton of people expressing reservations over this and it's partly why you're getting ridiculous calls to ban old media and children's shows like paw patrol. No sensible person believes that black lives don't matter.

Clearly you don't want to have a sensible conversation. It's not specific websites, it appears to be the official website of the movement and is named exactly the same as the slogan. Affiliates of the website have spoken in the media recently about the movement and fundraisers asking people to support 'blacklivesmatter" have expressed similar aims. I expect that most people who aren't just on a wind up recognise why there would be doubts from some about supporting a movement with obvious links to a political movement that many would disagree with.