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Where are the big gangs of fans shouting racist abuse from the stands in the Prem? Find the evidence. Find the same types of things happening in Bulgaria on the same scale in any professional UK football ground in the last decade. You won't find it because it doesn't exist. It won't stop moral crusaders like yourself from harping on about it but you have no evidence for your claims. You actually do a lot more harm than good because you inflate the issue rather than having a sensible conversation about the actual scale of the problem and ideas to solve it. But then everything in Britain is laced with racism, sexism, homophobia etc etc in your world isn't it.

It's ridiculous to pretend that a small handful of one or two shouting abuse at a black player in the UK- and subsequently handed long bans- is the same issue as orchestrated racist chanting, signals and drawings by hundreds for an entire match abroad. It suits your narrative to say its the same thing but all right minded people know it's a separate issue. Both should be dealt with but they aren't the same thing.

Hold on so according to soggy now simply acknowledging that racism is not something you will ever be able to eliminate in its entirety is something you cannot say because it makes racism acceptable? You couldn't make it up! He's desperate, absolutely desperate to pretend there's some huge racism problem at football grounds accross the UK that goes beyond a few isolated incidents of loners. He's even using racist Eastern Europeans to try back his bizarre arguments. Certifiably insane.

Well then that's an impossible demand. Its like trying to eliminate all racism from society. Unfortunately there are always going to be a handful of mindless racists in any cross section of society. All we can do in that circumstance is identify the trouble makers and issue them with long bans. Of course hundreds of people making monkey noises is a lot worse than one loner doing it because it points to a wider problem beyond just the handful that we see in the UK.

And just like that, weirdos like soggy try and push their "it's all the same" agenda. We don't have a racism problem in British football that is significantly higher than any other section of society and this doesn't manifest itself beyond isolated incidents which are normally dealt with by dishing out lifetime bans when proven. It doesn't matter how many times you try and equate the scenes we saw in Bulgaria with the behaviour of modern day England fans, they simply aren't equivalent. When we see maybe hundreds of black clad England fans in a stadium making monkey noises and doing nazi salutes then I'll concede that's the case but not before. It's very obvious that a culture of racism still exists in Eastern Europe, thankfully that isn't anywhere near the same scale in the UK. As someone mentioned earlier their governments cracking down on this sort of behaviour in wider society would be a start.

If I saw the same display by England fans at a game that I saw from the Bulgarians yesterday then I'd be calling for the exact same thing. We don't see that though, because it doesn't happen. Certainly not on anywhere near the same scale at all.

Beyond bizarre to say that in effect you can't condemn literal nazi salutes and monkey chants in the stadium because a minority of England fans have a **** up and engage in antisocial behaviour before games or sing ten German bombers.

Bizarre article. How is ten German bomber chants in any way comparable to what we just saw there from Bulgaria? Some England fans act like idiots abroad sure but let's not try and equate that with those shocking scenes.

I'd ban them from qualifying for the next tournament or make them play behind closed doors until further notice.

Lots of racist chanting, nazi salutes and signs. Pretty disgusting tbh I hope uefa takes proper action.

Exactly. Absolutely no one has said that there isn't racism in football in places like Bulgaria. There undoubtedly is and it needs sorting.

Looking like another superb season of abject mediocrity in the third division. Splendid and tremendous.

She agrees that we should ban cars, stop flying, ban gas heating and ration meat within the next 6 years. She then ends with "we put a man on the moon!" Fruit loop.

I accept your apology. You messed up and it's OK to admit that.

Lol! You can't read pal.

That's going to differ on an individual basis. For most people it will be somewhere between a 15 year old being packed off to war in 1914 and some of your commie mates crying because the server burnt their avocado toast.

Seems you didn't read what I wrote. Modern society that is economically prosperous with a "certain level" of adversity will still be hundreds of times better than previous generations had it.

I’ve been with Extinction Rebellion (XR) from the start. I was one of the 15 people in April 2018 who came together and made the collective decision to try to create the conditions that would initiate a rebellion. I was a coordinator of one of the original five working groups, and I’ve been organising with XR day-and-night since then (frugally living off my savings so I don’t have to work, having quit an industry that paid me £1000/week). And I’ve been in RisingUp (the organisation from which XR has emerged) since the first RisingUp action in November 2016. I’m a RisingUp Holding Group member, and a member of the XR Guardianship Team. And I’m here to say that XR isn’t about the climate. Sure it is.

Stuart Basden- one of the founders of extinction rebellion- has stated clearly that his movement is not about the climate, its about "patriarchy" , "heteronormativity" "white supremacy" and "class hierarchy." And you wonder why this approach from some of the founders gets people's back up.

My point is that "striving to do our best for the planet" is entirely subjective and lives on a spectrum from sensible choices and legislation within our existing society to upending the oppressive capitalist system and living in a yurt and subsisting off the land alongside your fellow comrades. I see little purpose in changing my life in such drastic fashion when it will make very little meaningful difference to climate change other than making me feel a bit superior.

You said that all the protestors are doing is trying to move things on a bit quicker. They've stated quite explicitly that this is jot what they are doing and they do in fact have three "demands" which counter this too. The main problem is that "what is required" differs depending on who you talk to. Are we talking about gradual change which will have positive benefits and help us to become more environmentally friendly? Or are we talking about what extinction rebellion want which is something entirely different?

Have you listened to their interviews? Because that isn't what they are saying at all.

I'm sorry you feel that way it must be a very scary way to live. Genuinely I feel sorry for some of hese activists, I don't doubt that the terror they feel and instill in their children is very real. I can't say that's a feeling I've picked up among people I spend my time with but we probably mix in different circles. I don't relish the prospect of my children going through pain or anguish but a certain level is to be expected in life and some adversity can be a positive thing for building resilience- just look at some of the mentally and physically weak individuals the west has turned out in the last few decades.

Let's suggest hypothetically that Britain becomes carbon neutral overnight. What would be the plan after that given that you have already acknowledged this would do very little to combat global carbon emissions? What these activists are demanding is totally unrealistic unless you want to completely crash the economy and essential regress to a pre-industrial age. Frankly their attitude puts people who want to engage in sensible measures off entirely. Surely as well as raising awareness they should be looking to persuade and bring the electorate with them?

There's been Doom and gloom from some for decades. Humans are remarkably adaptable and have only really had what you would call a "comfortable" life for around 100 years. I'm sure my children will be absolutely fine and even if there is some adversity, it's likely that the humans of the future are still going to be 100 times better off than our ancestors. Making predictions too far in advance is a fools game anyway.