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Would most likely do better than Mope

Pretty sure it's a subject that is almost unheard of on here- something that unites the forum.

Good for them. I hope they make a success of it.

Christ right bunch of moaners on here and people reckon I'm overly negative! If we pay a small sum like ten million for ings I'd give him a chance, I think there's a good chance he would be better than many think. I reckon we will do better than last year and we have a better quality in the squad already so that's good enough for me.

Has zero relevance to this discussion

No one has suggested paying 20 million or that we are likely to. Its Liverpool's initial valuation that its incredibly unlikely we share.

Yep that's probably true. Most likely because I'm not a fan of hypocrisy and there's a heck of a lot of that when it comes to far left progressive types.

You can level a lot of criticism at me but you definitely cannot pretend I haven't said a hugs amount about my political opinions- to the point that some would rather I stopped talking about them! Just because I've been consistently misrepresented with people labelling me far right with no evidence does not mean that I haven't made my opinions on a range of issues abundantly clear.

I hope you're not suggesting that not entering into any discussion on a group is some sort of endorsement? Besides I don't remember any discussion on the topic but as I've said it's just as pointless. And no I don't think the Iraq war protests were pointless though its true to say that some people who took part in it were quite embarrassing.

Hold on I didn't say anything about the football lads alliance. I think that's a pointless waste of time too.

No.

Yes tamesaint I already addressed that point in post number 304 and 314.

I do believe so yes but from memory we had at least one game with half decent opposition.

Loads of people on here thought that pre season results meant we would be the surprise team storming the league. Didn't quite work out like that did it...

Yes that proves my point. It's all designed to make these people feel good about themselves and make them feel like they are achieving something when the reality is the opposite. At the moment it's possible that he could be looking at another term so all those protests about what a monster he is have seemingly had little effect. If the aim is to get him removed then they aren't doing a very good job at all.

OK if it makes them feel better but the reality is that if he were impeached they had absolutely nothing to do with it. Everyone knows all the views against trump. Getting us talking isn't about any new conversations regarding him, it's just the same talking points recycled. The protests were primarily about making some middle class types and some people in strange costumes feel good about themselves and make them feel like they are contributing to something when in reality that isn't the case which is why I said the protests were largely self indulgent

Again a total misinterpretation of what I said. It's a fact that many people on marches such as these have done very little beyond attending the march. I know this because I have spoken to people who have participated, because I have friends all over Facebook who have attended and because of interviews that are freely available. You know as well as I do that this is the case and if you want to now pretend otherwise then you're just being disingenuous. I never said that I expected everyone to have identical opinions, what I said was that I considered worthwhile protests to be when the majority who are there are able to articulate what the practical goals of a protest are. If most of the protesters of the women's march all have different motivations for being there or can't even articulate why they have attended, then what is the point other than to collectively scream at the sky? To use just a couple of examples, Vietnam War protests in previous decades had a practical goal which was to pressure the American government to end the conflict. Black civil rights protests wanted the same rights afforded to people of colour that other races had. The difference between protests like that and the Anti trump rally is that the overarching aims were clear and I don't think anyone can claim they weren't worthwhile and that they had tangible impacts. Voicing a United dislike of Trump achieves precisely nothing and will change nothing. They have the freedom of speech to dress in whatever outfits they like, wave as many flags as they feel like and inflate as many balloons around the country as they want and many others have the right to question them for doing so or wonder if there isn't a better use for all that time and effort. Let's be fair though, the Sadiq Khan balloon and cash for it is also a giant waste of time and money and they would also be much better served donating all of that money to a worthwhile cause where they could actually do something positive.

Probably because our attacking area is where we are weakest and if we were to bring Ings it is will be because we most likely don't consider him a has been and we would think he is significantly better than our other options including Gallagher. He wouldn't be my first choice but I'd give him a go over sticking with what we currently have because we know what we have is not sufficient.

I doubt we'd buy him if that was our conclusion. Even if he is worse than he was a few seasons ago, we aren't going to get much better for that sort of money. I don't see how we can totally write him off based on his injuries when we don't actually know what the problems are or what his diagnosis is. I'd trust the club to know more about it before bidding.

That's the supposed valuation from Liverpool, it doesn't mean we have any intention of paying it (in fact it says we want to pay about half that which seems about right.)

Thanks for the friendly advice but I hope you're not offended if I choose to ignore the advice from someone who routinely compares posters on a messageboard to Islamic State.

What ten million? I think we'd struggle to get better than ings for that price.

It would be a risk undoubtedly but I'd rather give him a go if the choice is to get him in or stick with what we've got because we know from past experience that doesn't work.

Just bizarre. I was asked what I thought would be a better alternative and I gave my answer. As I already said, people are obviously free to do what they like, I'm not commanding anyone to do anything but they can hardly expect to be free from criticism when what they are doing is largely pointless in the opinion of many. And you're one to talk about spending a lot of time on an Internet forum considering the very public and embarrassing meltdown your relationship suffered due to your posts on here.

Marches and demonstrations with a common purpose and a practical plan to create a positive change are not normally a waste of time. The problem with these sort of demonstrations of late are that if you asked 100 people what the purpose was you would get 100 different responses. It was similar with the women marches last year which were more about screeching at the sky and virtue signalling than actually attempting to do anything of practical use. They had people interviewing participants asking them why they were marching and every single person gave a totally different answer. If the point is to vent collective frustration then I think it's mostly pointless And yes for many who participated, the protest was primarily self indulgent.