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You're absolutely, utterly desperate for me to enter into another debate about religion here (a debate incidentally that we have had a number of times before.) but I'm not giving you the satisfaction. I know that the robotic, mentally deficient part of you loves nothing better than to be allowed to go off on another anti-religious militant atheist rant and it frustrates you that I won't feed that insatiable desire. I can't be accused of not replying to people on this topic as that's all I've done for the last couple of days, I just don't want to give you another excuse. Sorry.

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I think we have to accept that human nature dictates that terrorism has always existed in some form and that it will continue to exist long after we are dead unless human beings can fundamentally alter what they are.

Unfortunately you chose not to respond to that thread at the time, choosing instead to run away with your tail between your legs when you realised that there was virtually unanimous disagreemebt with you. Seems my prediction at the time was absolutely spot on: I've already said it is clearly you are absolutely desperate to get into another one of your militant atheist abti-religious rants. You know full well that I have challenged your bigoted views on a number of occasions over this so I'm not prepared to give the borderline autistic side of you the satisfaction.

It's sad that we have to accept any violence from any number of sources throughout human history but then there has always been human nature and there has always been extremists. It's a shame I agree but as you yourself say you don't have any answers to it, so it's something we have to learn to live with and help to mitigate the effects.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?52806-Clarke-Carlisle Anything to add to this thread? Seems like you massively embarrassed yourself and then ran away when you realised your error. I know you are trying your absolute hardest to turn this thread into another one of your militant atheist anti-religious rants but you didn't finish the last one.

I think we have to accept that human nature means that sadly attacks like this are inevitable. They have existed in some form or another for as long as we have been here and so it is about minimising them through education and through continued vigilance from those in authority. Imo banning religious schools whilst I can see the argument would make not one iota of difference to the current situation.

You've embarrassed yourself with regards to religion enough on here. I would have thought you would have learnt your lesson by now. As I predicted in that thread you would run away, ignore it and then pop up again as if nothing happened.

How do you reckon government agencies should go about that?

OK well I haven't heard the interview, I only read the transcript so I'll take your word for it. Pretty idiotic thing to say then if that's the case.

He clearly wasn't comparing ched Evans to the Hillsborough families in the way that that article implies.

You still haven't answered mintys earlier question about what the answer is to all these nasty Muslims.

This is the point made by a Muslim on five live earlier. Said he was offended by the cartoons but that living in a society is about compromise.

So anything the Westboro Baptist church do is "a Christian incident?" Andres Breivik shootings were "A Christian incident?" Don't be a fool. I could kill someone tomorrow and claim I did it in the name of Jesus. Doesn't make it a Christian incident.

Maybe racist was the wrong word but the effect is the same. Is there a more succinct phrase than "deeply intolerant of different beliefs and of foreigners in general?"

It's easy to dismiss something like that when there is no chance of it happening to you (and when it doesn't support your argument.)

Again though, just because some nutters purport to do something in the name of Islam does not mean it is an Islamic incident. It simply means that there are a number willing to use Islam as a cover to commit their atrocities. I feel that we are going in circles here and I'm still unsure what your point is nor what solutions you are offering. If Islam is a religion practiced solely by nutters then what do you think should be done? What are the practical steps to take to reduce terrorist attacks in the West?

Yep. Just comes across as quite ignorant to be honest. I would be interested to know his experience with Muslims though.

A friend of mine is a Muslim and was born in this country. Her mum is English and her dad came to study here from Iraq in the seventies and then saddam took power and it was no longer safe for him to return home. Immediately after 9/11 she was 14. Her dad was thrown off a bus by a crowd because he looked like an Arab and was wearing a rucksack. She was shouted and sworn at in London and was told to say she was Indian if asked to avoid confrontation. Thoughts Sour Mash?

And that is entirely my experience too. It's weird though, it appears that those who agree with us are the people who have met or who know quite a few Muslims whereas those demonising them appear to have little or no relationships with them. Funny that!

Hold on, are you suggesting there are no positives to any sort of immigration to any country?

We've established your views, so what is your solution? Throw out the Muslims perhaps? Maybe a quota system? I reckon some sort of badge (possibly a yellow star) would be good so we can quickly ide tiny those who might be a danger to Western society.

yes I did! I literally said the reason it was a positive thing in the response. Do you need reading lessons?

I love the care and effort Minty took to craft an intelligent reply only for you to give your four word excuse for a response.

Erm I did explain why. I believe that multiculturalism is a good thing as long as everyone is of the mindset that they want to contribute to society and improve things for all. I welcome everyone to come to the west if they don't want to hurt others and have the skills and ideas to improve their lives and the lives of others. This includes people of all religions regardless of what they believe. I don't agree with radicals from any walk of life and I think every effort should be used to stop extremists wherever they may be. That doesn't mean I consider all of Islam to be an evil thing (or any religion). The movement of Muslim into many countries in the West is a positive thing in the same way that multiculturalism is a positive thing across society. In general it encourages creativity, promotes understanding across cultures and in general means that people can assimilate into a culture quite seamlessly. My view is formed from knowing many Muslims personally and having spoke to them about their faith that they believe passionately in but also about their deep love for the UK where they now live. Of course this is the view for the vast vast majority of Muslims. Where do you derive your contrary view from?