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You're right, of course, docker. But my point was that this is the largest accessible grouping of Saints fans out there, so the results of the poll would still be quite compelling. Once those results land on The Echo's desk, it's not as easy for them to refer to SISA as "the voice of the fans". It's either that or stand quietly by while Chorley and Co (and others) speak for us.

Why am I not surprised that you'd support a politician with as many brain cells as she has t*ts. Or possible less.

In fairness to you and in contradiction to my groin shot, here's one of my favourite quotes (from John Maynard Keynes): "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" I still liked the earlier DPS more!

I agree, Norm, and I feel like a turd for doing it because DPS is a good guy. And I'm sure I've also done some pretty good U-turns in my time! I'm just sick and tired of all this "I don't want Adkins", "Cortese, tell us what really happened", "I want Pardew back", "I'm boycotting the club", "Cortese's a bar steward", "We don't have any money", and so on crap. But then I'm old enough to believe in Rudyard Kipling's "If". Sorry, DPS.

DPS, you should take this guy's advice:

I agree - and they will continue with this until it's made abundantly clear to the Echo and other media that SISA don't speak for anyone but themselves. When it comes to groupings of Saints fans, this forum itself is as big as they get. It might be an idea to run a poll on here ("Does SISA speak for you?") and then send the inevitable the results to A) The Echo, and B) The Club. Once The Echo has received this, it's ethically obliged to point out in future articles that SISA certainly doesn't have widespread support.

Yes, physically and mentally. I'm sure Adkins can and will address both.

What scares me is this: the two most vital qualities at playoff time are heart and fitness, and I fear we lack both. Big time.

Was that another set piece goal?

Nige is going for it - pushing forwards in on their middle two at the back.

Altogether now: We're the Saints, try and understand it Make a noise and make it clear Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o! We're not gonna sit in silence, we're not gonna live in fear Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o! Lyrics by Paul McCARTney

'cept for Charlie Wayman.

Well, I always felt that we were consistently out-coached at half time under Pardew, so here's the first real chance to see an important difference.

She's obviously sensitive about people seeing her nipple bumps.

I'm fascinated by leftback, too. Just to help the Clouseaus figure out who this might be, here's his full 11-post "body of work" (oldest to newest):

We could find out tomorrow night whether it's "can't be fit" or "can't be arsed". If we see a team that keeps up the tempo, creates space with off-the-ball running, maintains its width into the final third, doesn't resort to hoofing, and can find another gear if we're chasing the game (or chasing a win), then we might have our answer. It may well be a bit of both, along with a need to respond to timely tactical adjustments from the bench. But if it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I still think fitness is a problem.

Forget the timing. I think this, as Giordano says, makes absolute sense - all the more so for the fact that A) we seem to dominate early and lose relatively late, and B) we don't seem able to find a second gear when we need to save a game. In fact, the hoofing that seems to appear after half time may also be more a product of lacking fitness rather than tactical stupidity. If players aren't running off the ball as much and creating pass options, the only choice is to hoof. Higher fitness levels, for me, is almost priority one. Until this side gets fitter we'll continue to get turned over by teams that don't have our skill levels. And when the results of the fitness testing come out, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a few more Cortese shots at Pardew for his lacking pre-season preparation.

Well, at least he goes there to get screwed. Saints fans, on the other hand ... That was really my point.

It was indeed.

CB, I've got a pretty well developed sense of humour but this might not end up being funny. The guy has just arrived here, full of commitment and optimism, and already we have a sweepstakes running on when he will leave/be fired. Just imagine what some of our little journo spies could do with that, especially as some people on here have made it clear that they'd rather he didn't come here at all.

Dalek, you seem to have completely missed the point of my post. You keep expressing your frustration at (what you believe to be) the misery foisted upon the vast majority by the "vocal minority" who supposedly prevented Hoddle from coming back in 2004. I expressed my frustration at (what I believe to be) the misery foisted upon the majority by the vocal minority (i.e., you) with your endless and thoroughly tiresome bleating about Hoddle. Dalek, I'm a pretty patient guy but - whether I agree with you or not (actually, I don't) - I've heard it so many times that I'm on the point of vomiting. And I suspect I'm in the majority. Give it a permament rest, me old mate. I know you can post about other stuff 'cos I've seen you do it!

If you're so against vocal minorities why do you keep posting this sh*t about Hoddle?

A big, manly hug from me, Daren. Keep your chin up, mate - Mums aren't remotely replaceable but nobody can take the memories away!

He's too busy working on his disappearing trick down the road.

Exactly. I think Adkins brings a lot of things that can make us much better and more attractive, and he's done nothing to warrant the "underwhelmed" put-down. I get frustrated reading that stuff, especially from people who A) clearly have no idea what he brings to the table, B) have no serious alternatives to suggest, and/or C) think a big name is the cure for all our ills. I'm very optimistic that Adkins will turn us around and that we'll grow together, but I hope people (the doubters and Nicola) are willing to judge him objectively and give him some time - or else this club is really going to go pear-shaped.